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#21 nicksaviking

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Posted 27 March 2017 - 01:51 PM

 

They're going to find out very quickly how tiny of a market it is.... I can understand a hockey team moving there, considering most hockey arenas fit 15-20k people. 

Will they be able to fill a 75k seat stadium consistently? I have my doubts, unless they're banking on lots of tourists buying a ticket just for kicks. 

 

The only way I can see this work is if the NFL is counting on a large influx of fans of the visiting team who are going to see their favorite team on the road as an excuse to go to Vegas.

 

If that's the case, Davis better never complain about how the locals don't support the team when the Cowboys and Steelers fans outnumber their own fans 2-1.

 

Unless they line the concourse with slot machines, I don't see how this is going to work.

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#22 Mike Sixel

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Posted 27 March 2017 - 01:59 PM

I can see full stadiums for sure, but not with locals....

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 27 March 2017 - 02:07 PM

If I go to Vegas, the last thing I'd do is go to a football game. Unless the Vikings are in town. They're going to need a LOT of traveling visiting fans I'd think.

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Posted 27 March 2017 - 02:10 PM

 

If I go to Vegas, the last thing I'd do is go to a football game. Unless the Vikings are in town. They're going to need a LOT of traveling visiting fans I'd think.

 

I'm with you. There's too many other things to do in Vegas besides going to an NFL game. 


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Posted 27 March 2017 - 02:24 PM

Las Vegas is actually a pretty decent size metro now, and fast growing.

Issue is it's not an especially wealthy area and there is minimal corporate base. Not clear casinos would want people in the stadium instead of at their tables and sports books.

Adding a couple sports teams could be an interesting change for the city. Legalized gambling is not a growth industry anymore.
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#26 Mike Sixel

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Posted 27 March 2017 - 02:37 PM

Huh, Vegas is bigger than I thought, but that lack of corporate ticket buying could be a killer...

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 28 March 2017 - 09:02 AM

Yeah vegas has 2 million folks in the area, and 40 million visitors a year.

Also LA and Oakland still have a TON of diehard Raider fans, a round trip flight from La or Oakland is about $100 (and a quick drive from LA anyways)

Those are going to be some rowdy Saturday nights, Vegas is a perfect location for an NFL team.
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Posted 28 March 2017 - 09:03 AM

Huh, Vegas is bigger than I thought, but that lack of corporate ticket buying could be a killer...

The casinos will buy up the majority of the corporate ticketing. Putting a high roller in a suite is just one more perk for them.
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Posted 28 March 2017 - 09:04 AM

Las Vegas is actually a pretty decent size metro now, and fast growing.

Issue is it's not an especially wealthy area and there is minimal corporate base. Not clear casinos would want people in the stadium instead of at their tables and sports books.

Adding a couple sports teams could be an interesting change for the city. Legalized gambling is not a growth industry anymore.


Legalized sports gambing across the country would be a MASSIVE growth industry.
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Posted 28 March 2017 - 09:28 AM

 

Yeah vegas has 2 million folks in the area, and 40 million visitors a year.

Also LA and Oakland still have a TON of diehard Raider fans, a round trip flight from La or Oakland is about $100 (and a quick drive from LA anyways)

Those are going to be some rowdy Saturday nights, Vegas is a perfect location for an NFL team.

 

It's certainly possible that people from Oakland/LA fly to watch a game... But man, that'd be an expensive weekend. $100 minimum for the flight, probably $100 per ticket, plus hotel, gambling, food, etc. 


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Posted 28 March 2017 - 09:42 AM

 

The casinos will buy up the majority of the corporate ticketing. Putting a high roller in a suite is just one more perk for them.

 

I have flip flopped on this in my mind.....yes, great perk, Yes, pulling them off the floor for 5 hours isn't a great idea. Plus, suites are pretty big, will they just have a dude and 2-3 others in them all the time? I can't decide how I feel about what casinos will do...

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 28 March 2017 - 09:56 AM

Legalized sports gambing across the country would be a MASSIVE growth industry.


Not sure about massive, gambling in general has been on the decline. But growth across the country would not necessarily be good for Vegas specifically. There is a need to diversify the region.
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Posted 28 March 2017 - 02:41 PM

The NFL team will be fine.
They only have to sell 8 games per year, and football is extremely popular.
I'd be much more worried about the nhl. They have to sell 41 games of hockey in the desert per year, and it's a niche sport.
NFL tickets as part of a travel/casino package is appealing to many because nearly everyone in America is at least a casual nfl fan. Can't say the same about hockey. There just aren't many casual hockey fans.
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Posted 28 March 2017 - 03:03 PM

 

The NFL team will be fine.
They only have to sell 8 games per year, and football is extremely popular.
I'd be much more worried about the nhl. They have to sell 41 games of hockey in the desert per year, and it's a niche sport.
NFL tickets as part of a travel/casino package is appealing to many because nearly everyone in America is at least a casual nfl fan. Can't say the same about hockey. There just aren't many casual hockey fans.

 

Actually I don't think they'll have an issue selling out a hockey arena. They've already pre-sold 13k season tickets before an expansion team was announced. The last 2-5k tickets shouldn't be that hard to sell.... Either to the casinos themselves, or walk up tourists. 

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Posted 28 March 2017 - 08:34 PM

 

Actually I don't think they'll have an issue selling out a hockey arena. They've already pre-sold 13k season tickets before an expansion team was announced. The last 2-5k tickets shouldn't be that hard to sell.... Either to the casinos themselves, or walk up tourists. 

 

Phoenix, the 6th largest metro area in the country, once said much the same thing.  Now, they screwed up where they put their rink, but still.  Non-hockey markets typically struggle and Vegas isn't a natural hockey market.

 

I would guess a good first 5 years, then things get dicey.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 06:43 AM

Phoenix, the 6th largest metro area in the country, once said much the same thing. Now, they screwed up where they put their rink, but still. Non-hockey markets typically struggle and Vegas isn't a natural hockey market.

I would guess a good first 5 years, then things get dicey.

The arena is on the strip. They will be able to fill it every night.

For petes sake they manage to sell out Britney Spears shows 6 nights a week, they can sell tickets to guys in vegas to watch hockey.
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Posted 29 March 2017 - 06:45 AM

It's certainly possible that people from Oakland/LA fly to watch a game... But man, that'd be an expensive weekend. $100 minimum for the flight, probably $100 per ticket, plus hotel, gambling, food, etc.

That's really not that much money or time
needed, plenty of people from LA already goto Vegas once a month anyways. And $300-$500 for a fun weekend is something a majority of their fans can afford. It's only 8 games a season anyways.
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Posted 29 March 2017 - 06:46 AM

Not sure about massive, gambling in general has been on the decline. But growth across the country would not necessarily be good for Vegas specifically. There is a need to diversify the region.

I said legalized sports gambling, which has not been on the decline (illegal or legal)

In the short term I think you will see a decent bump in legal sports betting in Vegas bc of the two new teams.
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Posted 29 March 2017 - 07:53 AM

 

I said legalized sports gambling, which has not been on the decline (illegal or legal)

In the short term I think you will see a decent bump in legal sports betting in Vegas bc of the two new teams.

 

I wonder how the local teams are going to impact sports gambling. Generally local teams/games are off the board, right (I'm thinking UNLV)? Or has that changed recently?

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 09:38 AM

 

The arena is on the strip. They will be able to fill it every night.

For petes sake they manage to sell out Britney Spears shows 6 nights a week, they can sell tickets to guys in vegas to watch hockey.

 

It's a good point, we'll see.  Hockey is a little bit of a niche sport outside of a few markets.  And our 51st state to the north of course.