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#21 Thrylos

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 09:02 AM

 

Romero  will likely start in Ft. Myers for a month and move up to Chattanooga. 

 

Jay, Gonsalves, Jorge and Stewart, along with Rosario will most likely start in Chattanooga. The only one of those you could make some argument for starting in Rochester is Gonsalves, though I'd doubt it. 

 

Rochester will have Mejia, Slegers and Wheeler, maybe Hurlbut. Maybe Baxendale. So, these guys can go there (if they don't have opt-outs) and make starts until those AA guys are ready. Also, we don't know where Berrios will be how about Duffey, etc. 

 

I think that Slegers and Baxendale will stay as relievers.Top of my head rotations with staff right now

 

Twins:

 

Santana
Hughes
Gibson
Santiago
May
(Duffey in pen)

Rochester:

 

Berrios
Mejia
Wheeler
Vogelson (*)
Tepesch (*)
Greenwood (*)

 

Chattanooga:

 

Rucinski (*)
Gonsalves
Jay
Stewart
Jorge
Hurlbut
Eades

 

Fort Myers:

 

Romero
Rosario
Centeno (*)
Steele
LeBlanc
Clay
Stashak

 

(*) = new/re-signed MiLB FAs

 

Not to mention any player(s) who will come in return for Dozier.

 

As you see it is overflowing.  Take those 4 (*) from AAA and AA, move the appropriate people up and everything flows much better.... 

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 09:52 AM

 

It's bad when these guys get spring training invites and guys like Hildenberger and Baxendale don't
Hasbeens over youth is never good
Same ole same ole

Hildenberger will be 26 next year, has thrown 38 innings - all as a reliever - above A ball.  And he's never made a professional start.  He's not being blocked by these signings.

Baxendale is also 26.  While he has made starts above A ball, he hasn't been good at them.  He was moved to the bullpen where he's looked a bit better.  He's not being blocked by these signings.

 

The Twins ST non-rosters invitees include Reed, Slegers and Wimmers who are all better bullpen options than Baxendale and Hildenberger.


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 09:55 AM

 

I think that Slegers and Baxendale will stay as relievers.Top of my head rotations with staff right now

 

Twins:

 

Santana
Hughes
Gibson
Santiago
May
(Duffey in pen)

Rochester:

 

Berrios
Mejia
Wheeler
Vogelson (*)
Tepesch (*)
Greenwood (*)

 

Chattanooga:

 

Rucinski (*)
Gonsalves
Jay
Stewart
Jorge
Hurlbut
Eades

 

Fort Myers:

 

Romero
Rosario
Centeno (*)
Steele
LeBlanc
Clay
Stashak

 

(*) = new/re-signed MiLB FAs

 

Not to mention any player(s) who will come in return for Dozier.

 

As you see it is overflowing.  Take those 4 (*) from AAA and AA, move the appropriate people up and everything flows much better.... 

 

I agree with a lot of this.

Slegers has never pitched out of the bullpen, so I would be surprised if he did, especially since the Twins like him enough to invite him to big league camp. 

And, again, I just don't see which players are the "appropriate people" to move up. Gonsalves is the one from Chattanooga that maybe could go to Rochester. Steele and Rosario could start in Chattanooga. But there are always injuries and they need depth.

I also wonder if the Twins and Vogelsong have a deal in which if he's not on the MLB roster on Opening Day, they'll release him. Certainly he'll have an early opt-out date. 


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:56 AM

I disagree with the Wimmers - Baxendale comparison

Look at there numbers out of the pen at Rochester, not even close
Wimmers era = 3.62
Bacendale era = 1.29

Wimmers promotion was a token so the FO could cover themselves and say another first rounder made it to the big leagues.

Compare Chargois and Baxendale's numbers from Rochester

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:59 AM

Also, you say Baxendale hasn't been good in his starts above A ball. You might want to check the stats.
He was a AA All-Star as a starter in 2015 + 2016

In his 4 full seasons, he has been an All-Star in 3 of them

Edited by Gagne Fan, 12 January 2017 - 11:00 AM.


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:08 AM

The Twins news just keeps coming - signing minor league worthy ex-mlbs, talking to Bautista's agent, speculating on Santiago's arbitration and if we have none of these major efforts we can always talk about why the Dodgers aren't opening their minor league vaults for Dozier.  Wow - Spring Training is really getting exciting. 


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:24 AM

There's a good chance that the Vogelsong plan is to get him going a little then invite new Phillie Scout TR to come see him, and make the appropriate deal...


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:24 AM

 

I disagree with the Wimmers - Baxendale comparison

Look at there numbers out of the pen at Rochester, not even close
Wimmers era = 3.62
Bacendale era = 1.29

Wimmers promotion was a token so the FO could cover themselves and say another first rounder made it to the big leagues.

Compare Chargois and Baxendale's numbers from Rochester

 

Also, you say Baxendale hasn't been good in his starts above A ball. You might want to check the stats.
He was a AA All-Star as a starter in 2015 + 2016

In his 4 full seasons, he has been an All-Star in 3 of them

I think you're scouting the stat lines a bit.  Baxendale isn't high on many Twins prospect lists.  Fangraphs most recent list didn't even mention him (Chargois was # 15) and Sickels list doesn't have him in the top 20 (Chargois was #10).  While it's nice that he's been an all-star it doesn't really tell us much.  


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 01:11 PM

Isn't performance on the field all that matters

Twins failed "top" prospects

Levi Michael
Travis Harrison
Hudson Boyd

All we know about a player is how they perform....period

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 01:29 PM

Isn't performance on the field all that matters

Twins failed "top" prospects

Levi Michael
Travis Harrison
Hudson Boyd

All we know about a player is how they perform....period

Moderator's note: Inviting yet another retrospective upon the old front office's late-first-round draft picks goes pretty far afield of the topic of this thread: two minor league signings of veteran pitchers. Please start a different thread if such a discussion appeals to you.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 01:32 PM

 

Isn't performance on the field all that matters

Twins failed "top" prospects

Levi Michael
Travis Harrison
Hudson Boyd

All we know about a player is how they perform....period

 

That's true, but I'm guessing you and I differ on how we measure performance, which is fine. As the old saying goes, "don't scout the stat line." It's usually a good reminder for all of us.


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 01:32 PM

 

Isn't performance on the field all that matters
 

Not really.  You want to take age and experience into account.  That's why you'll always see college aged pitchers dominating the minors.  If you were around here a decade ago, you'd have heard of Anthony Slama, a minor league relief pitcher with eye popping stats that wasn't really a prospect.  He was left off the 40 man roster and open to rule V draft but not taken.  Nice stats but not a prospect.  And Slama is miles ahead of these two guys, IMHO.


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 01:40 PM

Time will tell

Every guy that throws 100 doesn't make it to the big leagues, prospect rankings are usually determined by such things as velocity, not performance

I guess Berrios is a great example of what you say
Great minor league pitcher, not so good MLB pitcher

Everyone has hope if Albers and Dean pitched in the bigs