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#1 Nick Nelson

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:46 PM

http://www.twincitie...immers-injury-i

"I don't quite get it," Ryan said. "I'd like to think we can diagnose and make sure we know what's going to go on, but we're not going to let him go any farther until we figure this out."


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#2 gunnarthor

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:48 PM

Well, the optimist in me sees this as a final straw in Ryan's evaluation and will lead to changes.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:03 PM

I'd be interested in knowing what the Twins doctors' opinions are on rest/rehab for partial UCL tears vs. surgery. It sure seems like every time we try rest and rehab it only kicks the can down the road, and could potentially damage the ligament even more in the short-term.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:09 PM

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Twins medical staff, ladies and gents!


What more evidence do you need to see that this organization needs a major overhaul in the FO?

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:21 PM

I'm certainly perplexed, but it's not by Wimmers' injury.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:23 PM

What more evidence do you need to see that this organization needs a major overhaul in the FO?

Everytime something negative happens you idiots think an overhaul is needed in the front office. It's pretty obvious TR doesn't like what happened here. Did TR diagnose this? Did TR hurt Wimmers arm? Did TR tell Liriano to pitch like crap to start the season so his value would be garbage? Give him a chance to turn this around, HE HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD PEOPLE!!!!!

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:28 PM

The front office is broken...the scouts, medical team, coaching staff and just about everything that could go wrong with this teams front office has.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:30 PM

Everytime something negative happens you idiots think an overhaul is needed in the front office. It's pretty obvious TR doesn't like what happened here. Did TR diagnose this? Did TR hurt Wimmers arm? Did TR tell Liriano to pitch like crap to start the season so his value would be garbage? Give him a chance to turn this around, HE HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD PEOPLE!!!!!


But nevermind the proven track record in the last five seasons or so of the poor handling of a large amount of injuries, not being able to correctly utilize the DL, trying to rest and rehab someone with a partically torn UCL (that does not heal itself), or publicly smearing people for being soft that end up having serious arm injuries, or the thought that their coddling ways have actually resulted in more and not less injuries. Other than that...

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:31 PM

HE HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD PEOPLE!!!!!



So it should only take about 7-8 years for JR to turn this thing around, based off his proven track record.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:38 PM

Everytime something negative happens you idiots think an overhaul is needed in the front office. It's pretty obvious TR doesn't like what happened here. Did TR diagnose this? Did TR hurt Wimmers arm? Did TR tell Liriano to pitch like crap to start the season so his value would be garbage? Give him a chance to turn this around, HE HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD PEOPLE!!!!!


TR said he was going to address the training and medical staff issues during his first presser last fall but he failed to do so.

TR HAD a great track record over 10 years ago but he and his scouting department have done a terrible job of scouting and drafting for the last 10 years.

#11 jokin

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:45 PM

Everytime something negative happens you idiots think an overhaul is needed in the front office. It's pretty obvious TR doesn't like what happened here. Did TR diagnose this? Did TR hurt Wimmers arm? Did TR tell Liriano to pitch like crap to start the season so his value would be garbage? Give him a chance to turn this around, HE HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD PEOPLE!!!!!

Usually, perjorative name-calling along with massive overuse of caps indicates that you are on the losing side of the argument, but don't let me stop you from more in-depth analysis of how well the proven track record for the managment of this club has been over the last 7 years.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:47 PM

Everytime something negative happens you idiots think an overhaul is needed in the front office. It's pretty obvious TR doesn't like what happened here. Did TR diagnose this? Did TR hurt Wimmers arm? Did TR tell Liriano to pitch like crap to start the season so his value would be garbage? Give him a chance to turn this around, HE HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD PEOPLE!!!!!


Actually, those calling for a front office overhaul probably came to that conclusion long before Wimmers needed surgery.

Also... Ryan is going to have to deal with both higher expectations for this club and decreased patience from fans to get the ship righted. We're not in the Metrodome anymore and we can only blame Bill Smith for so long.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:59 PM

Ryan promised two things: 1) to evaluate the performance of those involved in the medical arena, and 2) to improve communication on medical matters. He's doing exactly what he promised. But of course, thrylos, you can't help yourself and want to portray it falsely. How do you live with being so dishonest?

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:01 PM

I'm certainly perplexed, but it's not by Wimmers' injury.


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:12 PM

I'd be interested in knowing what the Twins doctors' opinions are on rest/rehab for partial UCL tears vs. surgery.

It sure seems like every time we try rest and rehab it only kicks the can down the road, and could potentially damage the ligament even more in the short-term.

Would rather they show ANY results from a guy rehabbing that worked

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:15 PM

Everytime something negative happens you idiots think an overhaul is needed in the front office. It's pretty obvious TR doesn't like what happened here. Did TR diagnose this?


I'd like to second this statement. To me, TR seems fed up with the poor outcomes from rehab. I have a hard time blaming injury decisions on the F.O. moreso than the medical staff. Even Texas' genius F.O had Neftali Feliz sitting on the DL for a couple months before he was slated to get TJ.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:16 PM

TR said he was going to address the training and medical staff issues during his first presser last fall but he failed to do so.

TR HAD a great track record over 10 years ago but he and his scouting department have done a terrible job of scouting and drafting for the last 10 years.


I am starting to believe the Twins organization needs an overhaul as well. I still think Terry Ryan and Ron Gardenhire are decent baseball people, but when individuals are in an organization for so long they can get stuck in a rut which is where I think we are now.

Personally, I would love to see Terry Francona brought in to manage next year, but I doubt it happens.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:16 PM

Ryan promised two things: 1) to evaluate the performance of those involved in the medical arena, and 2) to improve communication on medical matters.


He's doing exactly what he promised.


But of course, thrylos, you can't help yourself and want to portray it falsely. How do you live with being so dishonest?

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Wow, kick a guy who hasn't even posted in this thread?

Perhaps Ryan has accomplished the 2 goals stated above. I think the frustration in this thread stems from the assumed outcome of the statetd goals. Fixing the problem with the medical evaluations. If that outcome has been achieved than goal two was not accomplished because no solution has been communicated to the public.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:29 PM

I'd like to second this statement. To me, TR seems fed up with the poor outcomes from rehab. I have a hard time blaming injury decisions on the F.O. moreso than the medical staff.

Wow, major news flash in Minnesota, TR has seemed to come around to being "fed up about poor outcomes from rehab". Last time I checked, the medical staff answers to the FO, so that one's a non-starter too. As I posted in the other thread, there was plenty of egg on the face for management from the Scott Baker fiasco last March. Do you have any grasp at how lame it sounds to start going public about being fed up about poor outcomes about the medical/training situation at this late date?

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:33 PM

This is Ryan's first year back at the helm, last time he was GM they weren't having these issues with the medical team. I agree changes need to be made, but what is he supposed to do? Fire everyone in the middle of the season? I imagine a lot of these doctors have contracts with the team as well, hopefully he evaluates what is wrong during the off-season, fire who needs to be fired and make the changes that need to be made.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:35 PM

I am starting to believe the Twins organization needs an overhaul as well. I still think Terry Ryan and Ron Gardenhire are decent baseball people, but when individuals are in an organization for so long they can get stuck in a rut which is where I think we are now.Personally, I would love to see Terry Francona brought in to manage next year, but I doubt it happens.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:36 PM

Ryan promised accountability up and down the Organization. Medical Staff???????? I'll be waiting.

#23 jokin

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:39 PM

This is Ryan's first year back at the helm, last time he was GM they weren't having these issues with the medical team. I agree changes need to be made, but what is he supposed to do? Fire everyone in the middle of the season? I imagine a lot of these doctors have contracts with the team as well, hopefully he evaluates what is wrong during the off-season, fire who needs to be fired and make the changes that need to be made.

But Dave, it isn't like TR just parachuted in from Tasmania, he has been an arm's length consultant to the team during his hiatus from GM. These problems have been well documented, and as a previous poster noted, was addressed by TR as an immediate priority in his first press conference last fall. And then came the Baker debacle...

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:44 PM

But Dave, it isn't like TR just parachuted in from Tasmania, he has been an arm's length consultant to the team during his hiatus from GM. These problems have been well documented, and as a previous poster noted, was addressed by TR as an immediate priority in his first press conference last fall. And then came the Baker debacle...

Again as it has been mentioned before you don't just go around and fire everyone, it is apparent from his latest statements that changes will be made this off-season.

The Baker "debacle" still puzzles me, multiple doctors didn't think he needed Tommy John and they only found out he needed it once they cut him open. That whole thing was bizzarre.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

Again as it has been mentioned before you don't just go around and fire everyone, it is apparent from his latest statements that changes will be made this off-season. The Baker "debacle" still puzzles me, multiple doctors didn't think he needed Tommy John and they only found out he needed it once they cut him open. That whole thing was bizzarre.

Especially the part about calling Baker "soft"? When a pitcher says he has pain when he pitches, it invaraibly mean there is a problem. Baker pitched with pain for years and was poorly served by management and medical staff, alike. It was a debacle.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:55 PM

This is Ryan's first year back at the helm, last time he was GM they weren't having these issues with the medical team. I agree changes need to be made, but what is he supposed to do? Fire everyone in the middle of the season? I imagine a lot of these doctors have contracts with the team as well, hopefully he evaluates what is wrong during the off-season, fire who needs to be fired and make the changes that need to be made.


Right. I suspect that Ryan is working more closely with the medical team this year to try and get an idea of where the problem areas are. The answer isn't simply to fire everyone involved with the operation and try to find replacements. The quotes in the article lead me to believe that TR is getting fed up and that changes will be coming, in some form.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:04 PM

Right. I suspect that Ryan is working more closely with the medical team this year to try and get an idea of where the problem areas are. The answer isn't simply to fire everyone involved with the operation and try to find replacements. The quotes in the article lead me to believe that TR is getting fed up and that changes will be coming, in some form.


If you read between the lines at his first presser last fall, he was fed up then. What has changed in 9 months? "More fed up?"

I don't recall the simple answer is to fire everyone involved. But this situation is akin to the signing of Nishioka. To this day, no one knows for sure who pushed for him and who greenlighted it to Smith's desk- let alone held anyone accountable for that particular $15M debacle.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:50 PM

But this situation is akin to the signing of Nishioka. To this day, no one knows for sure who pushed for him and who greenlighted it to Smith's desk- let alone held anyone accountable for that particular $15M debacle.


Nor should the fans know who pushed for him. That was Smith's decision and his alone. Part of his job is to take responsibility for poor decisions and shield those who made them. Any reprimanding should happen behind closed doors, not in the court of public perception.

For all we know, that guy/gal has been fired. And that's the way it should be. The public face of the organization takes blame for mis-steps, not the lower echelon rank-and-file.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:03 PM

This has gone from maddening, to funny, back to maddening, back to funny. I think at this point I'm burnt out on this garbage.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:37 PM

This has gone from maddening, to funny, back to maddening, back to funny. I think at this point I'm burnt out on this garbage.


You just need to settle into a nice maddeningly funny frame of mind.