Posted 31 July 2012 - 04:53 PM
Posted 31 July 2012 - 05:08 PM
Posted 31 July 2012 - 05:20 PM
It doesn't really matter what he could've obtained for Willy, Span, Morney, etc the FACT is that these guys will not be part of the next championship calibur team so they should be cashed in for some long-term assets.
You're right. As Twins fans, we should get behind this winning philosophy. I mean, it's not as if the Twins get to keep Span and Willingham for next season, trade them this offseason, or do any number of things to maximize their value.
They need to be moved and they need to be moved now. The Twins can't afford to wait until the market is stronger for those two players. We need that bag of balls and we need that old pitching machine from the Rangers. We need a new bullpen catcher. We need to do whatever we can to ship these players out of town right now.
Your schtick is tired. Seriously. Just stop. If you don't have something of substance to post, just don't ****ing post anything.
My patience with this herpderp posting has long since evaporated. You're frustrated. We get it. Most of us are frustrated, too. Now stop posting the same goddamned opinion over and over and over again.
Posted 31 July 2012 - 05:37 PM
Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:00 PM
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:32 PM
Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:13 PM
Let's not act like Houston or the Cubs got that great of prospects, even though the Cubs had the better chip in Dempster.
Houston is going to be a brutal team for at least the next three years, possibly longer. They didn't really have a choice, but they better hope everything goes right or it could be multiple cycles.
Twins have a better major league team and a better farm system than both of these teams, it is not necessarily a great comparison.
Houston has a much lesser MLB squad, but the prospects they acquired this year have drastically impacted their system. They have top end like Singleton, more predictable future MLB bench/replacement guys like Dominguez, and a ton of depth of guys who have very solid top ends if they can get even 1/2 to reach it. I think you might be surprised how many prospectors would rate the Astros above the Twins in systems now.
Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:17 PM
I liked how the Royals got two good pitching prospects while cashing in on Broxton which the Twins should have done with Burton. JC Sulbaran was a good get and the Twins probably could have gotten him and one of their other good pitching prospects while trying to package Span and Burton. The A's are another team that I like what they have been doing and how they replenish their system time and time again. Two years in a row now the Twins sat idle. If Ryan goes.. I would hope they consider getting Beane's underling David Forst a call.
I don't think the Royals are a good example.
They are in a perpetually rebuilding mode.
They have been bad year, after year, after year...
Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:21 PM
Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:55 PM
I don't have a problem not moving guys. I'm also of the opinion that if they sign Grienke they will be right in the mix next season and beyond. I doubt it happens, but they could even sign Grienke and Liriano. There will be enough money, and with Grienke, Frankie, Gibson, Diamond, Hendriks with Baker signed cheap... that is a playoff rotation. Add some offense with the prospects coming up and Morneau fully healthy and the Twins could win a lot of games. I'm not sure if JR feels the same way (that this team could compete with some legit FA pitchers), but keeping your best chips when you don't get the offers you want is what good GM's do. If they can't sign some pitching then they have the opportunity to trade.
I agree that signing Greinke and one more good starting pitcher (hopefully not Liriano - we've been down that road) would get the Twins back in contention. I think re-signing Doumit indicates that TR thinks the Twins should be contending next year. I'm curious to see what he does in the offseason to address the starting pitcher needs. It's nice to dream about having Greinke at the top of the rotation, but I think the odds of it actually happening are pretty slim.
Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:52 PM