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#1 mikeee

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:00 PM

I guess that is that! I don't need to hit reload anymore! :D

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:03 PM

I'd be shocked if the month of August passes without the Twins making more deals than they made in July.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:05 PM

And playing for the Twins tonight: Denard Span Josh Willingham Justin Morneau Jamey Caroll Jared Burton... The same people we saw last night.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:05 PM

I just hope the Twins trade Denard in the offseason for something nice. This trade deadline has been awful and it's extremely painful to see them do nothing for the second year in a row.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:08 PM

They may make more August deals, but the likelihood of getting solid pitching prospect is zero. The only guys who might have brought that return will not pass through waivers.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:08 PM

Here's a recap if you missed any trades. http://bit.ly/MPM9sC
There were a few I didn't catch until viewing this since some went under the radar like Kottaras and Chris Johnson.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:10 PM

It is interesting to note that Josh Whetzel said that Ray Chang pinch hit for Pedro Florimon in the 12th inning this afternoon. Still could be something? Maybe?

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:11 PM

It is interesting to note that Josh Whetzel said that Ray Chang pinch hit for Pedro Florimon in the 12th inning this afternoon. Still could be something? Maybe?


I was kinda surprised they didn't trade Carroll or Casilla to the A's.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:12 PM

They may make more August deals, but the likelihood of getting solid pitching prospect is zero. The only guys who might have brought that return will not pass through waivers.


Not necessarily. Players that aren't on the 40-man (younger prospects) don't have to pass through waivers... and players that wouldn't clear waivers are just called "players to be named later" and traded after the season.

I'm not assuming that the Twins would make a deal that would bring a great return, but good players can still be moved... in either direction.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:12 PM

wouldn't stop hitting reload just yet... it isn't unusual for trades to be submitted but not announced yet.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:12 PM

It is interesting to note that Josh Whetzel said that Ray Chang pinch hit for Pedro Florimon in the 12th inning this afternoon. Still could be something? Maybe?


Ok. I will do a few more page reloads then!
Could something have gotten past the news hounds?

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:13 PM

They may make more August deals, but the likelihood of getting solid pitching prospect is zero. The only guys who might have brought that return will not pass through waivers.


After re-reading your post, I see what you meant. Span wouldn't clear waivers, Willingham neither. But the Twins could work out a deal with the claiming teams to get decent prospects, if they so choose.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:13 PM

LEN3 says Twins official confirmed that they did not make any deals.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:14 PM

Like the Qualls for McGehee trade between the Pirates and Yankees that just happened.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:14 PM

I don't know about anyone else but if even Christensen is boxing the Twins' ears over selling on the cheap, is it possible that TR could not get value commensurate with any of the players we all thought might get dealt and actually stepped back?

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:16 PM

I just hope the Twins trade Denard in the offseason for something nice. This trade deadline has been awful and it's extremely painful to see them do nothing for the second year in a row.


But unlike last year, they only needed to move one guy (Liriano). It really bothered me that the FO didn't try and get something for Cuddy in a market that was screaming for him. Oh well. I expect the team will move Span in the offseason.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:18 PM

I don't know about anyone else but if even Christensen is boxing the Twins' ears over selling on the cheap, is it possible that TR could not get value commensurate with any of the players we all thought might get dealt and actually stepped back?


I think what Joe C. was trying to convey was the opposite. That maybe now IS the time to deal a Willingham or Span. Maybe even Burton or Perkins.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:19 PM

I doubt it, i think the Twins only deal will be Liriano. maybe Casilla or Carroll.....or a Burton or Perkins but thats it.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:19 PM

Span just tweeted this. https://twitter.com/...396526961229824

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:20 PM

After re-reading your post, I see what you meant. Span wouldn't clear waivers, Willingham neither. But the Twins could work out a deal with the claiming teams to get decent prospects, if they so choose.


I could certainly see Morneau being traded in an August waiver deal and if the Twins agree to cover a significant portion of his remaining contract, it could buy a decent return. Small chance, perhaps, but not impossible. Strange stuff happens in August when teams can really sniff the finish line and they get hit with an injury.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:23 PM

It is interesting to note that Josh Whetzel said that Ray Chang pinch hit for Pedro Florimon in the 12th inning this afternoon. Still could be something? Maybe?


Was watching the game Seth. Looks like it was a last minute decision for no apparant reason.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:25 PM

It seems that the majority of the guys moved at the deadline were rentals as opposed to guys under long-term contracts. Just look at the Twins situation. Almost all their trade chips were guys under contract for next year or beyond. Because of that, the asking price was super high compared to most of the other deals done at the deadline. It seems the Twins might be more successful in the off season to move some of the long term contracts when teams aren't in panic mode.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:47 PM

It seems that the majority of the guys moved at the deadline were rentals as opposed to guys under long-term contracts. Just look at the Twins situation. Almost all their trade chips were guys under contract for next year or beyond. Because of that, the asking price was super high compared to most of the other deals done at the deadline.

It seems the Twins might be more successful in the off season to move some of the long term contracts when teams aren't in panic mode.


I think this is pretty much right. Morneau and Span are the two guys the Twins should have seriously considered trading and their value will be the same, or even more, in the offseason.

It's no secret that the Twins want major league ready starting pitching back in any trade, which is nearly impossible to acquire at the deadline without giving up prospects. The offseason is when you can trade major league players for major league players.

For the record, the one guy I would have seriously considered trading was Burton and would have listened hard on Perkins. Also would have traded Carroll, but its possible no offer was made and he can probably still be moved in August, along with Capps and Pavano and possibly even Morneau.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:54 PM

How is the value more, if you get them for 3 months less time? I don't get that argument (well, maybe I get it for Morneau and his contract....). How is getting less of Span worth more than getting more of him? I'm baffled that MLB teams would think that, baffled.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:57 PM

And adding insult to injury, who should be pitching tonight but the man guaranteed to end a modest four-game winning streak.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

How is the value more, if you get them for 3 months less time? I don't get that argument (well, maybe I get it for Morneau and his contract....). How is getting less of Span worth more than getting more of him? I'm baffled that MLB teams would think that, baffled.


In my opinion, the in-season trade deadline is about immediacy. Therefore, asking prices are higher for lower quality players than in the off season. So a team might think to wait until the off season when they can get a better deal on Span when the asking prices aren't jacked up like they are at the deadline.

Obviously if a team really wanted Span now because they thought he would have been a difference down the stretch, they would have paid. Span wasn't the difference maker they wanted to pay a premium for this season; rather, they decide to build around him in the off season why potentially getting a more equitable deal.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

How is the value more, if you get them for 3 months less time? I don't get that argument (well, maybe I get it for Morneau and his contract....). How is getting less of Span worth more than getting more of him? I'm baffled that MLB teams would think that, baffled.


If the Twins were trading only for prospects I think you are correct.

However, I think the Twins want to trade Span for someone who will be in their rotation at the start of next year, be controllable for multiple seasons, and be more than a backend starter. That is really difficult for a team to part with in the middle of the season - if they had a pitcher that good they would already be in their rotation and wouldn't want to create one hole to fill a different one. In the offseason it works because you can trade a pitcher and fill that hole either through free agency or by making a separate trade.

I'm sure the Twins would have accepted a package of only prospects, but it would have had to have been a really good package (even overpaying), one that ultimately wasn't offered.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:23 PM

This year has nothing to do with last year. Last year, the Twins had several valuable free agents which they ended up keeping. This year, the Twins traded the only free agent with any value.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:38 PM

Why do so many people want to trade Burton and Perkins? Two cheap power arms and trade for what?? Supposedly, bullpen arms are easy to pick up, but ours will bring in a boat load of prospects. Perkins and his agent showed the Twins some goodwill by signing a long term under value contract, so lets burn him for a C prospect before the ink is even dry. That will put out a good message. The Twins would be foolish to trade away a couple of cheap, effect power arms. On one hand, there is a lot of complaining about the over abundance of starting soft tossers. At least we have a couple of very good power relievers, but both should be traded.

Edited by Highabove, 31 July 2012 - 04:06 PM.


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Posted 31 July 2012 - 04:02 PM

This year has nothing to do with last year.
Last year, the Twins had several valuable free agents which they ended up keeping.
This year, the Twins traded the only free agent with any value.


I concur. I think the only real disappointment I have with this year's deadline activity is that both Pavano and Capps are injured so we couldn't move them as well.