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#1 Bark's Lounge

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:13 PM

According to Brad Nicholson-Smith, who I am assuming is with MLBTR, The Blue Jays have traded Travis Snider for Brad Lincoln. If this were Glen Perkins being traded for Travis Snider, would that be a good trade or a not so good trade? Just wanted to get some TD feedback on this - although a tough decision, I think I would do it. For a young man Travis Snider has fallen out of favor with the Blue Jays fairly quickly... is he a tough nut to crack, does he not fit into their philosophy, or is his position an organizational strength? Thoughts?

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:41 PM

I like Travis Snider, but I wouldn't trade Perkins for him now. If the Twins struggled with outfield depth, I would trade Perkins for him. Minnesota just doesn't need another one in the fold especially if they don't trade Span and Willingham. Snider's biggest problem is that he strikes out too much. I think Snider will figure things out soon enough and become a good MLB player. Awesome deal for the Pirates if Lincoln regresses.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:54 PM

Good question. Illustrates Minnesota's dilemma. Snider is 24 with upside and disappointing performance. Perkins has been very good but as a reliever he is limited in value. He is probably the only reliever would bring Snider. Pitching is so weak that it is hard to imagine trading any for outfielder. I would keep Perkins.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 12:35 AM

The Twins don't really need an underperforming outfielder. If we're talking reclamation projects, I'd rather see a pitcher than has fallen out with his organization than a guy like Travis Snider.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:18 AM

Buying low this something the Twins just don't understand, now selling low is more there style. I'd love to see them give a Snider a chance and if it doesn't work out no biggie cause you didn't give up much.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:23 AM

With the impending logjam of outfielders, I see no point in the Twins pursuing an under-performing young outfielder.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:26 AM

Isn't Snider owed a lot of money? Not a good fit here.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:30 AM

With the impending logjam of outfielders, I see no point in the Twins pursuing an under-performing young outfielder.


It's not like the Hicks, Arcia & Benson group are gonna be up early next season. Give Snider 400 at-bats and lets finally see if he can play. Plus it allows Willingham to DH (where he belongs) Doumit to be an actually backup catcher.

Isn't Snider owed a lot of money? Not a good fit here.


Snider is league min or damn close to it.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:39 AM

It's not like the Hicks, Arcia & Benson group are gonna be up early next season. Give Snider 400 at-bats and lets finally see if he can play. Plus it allows Willingham to DH (where he belongs) Doumit to be an actually backup catcher.


If the Twins could have had him for virtually nothing, it'd be worth a flyer.

But Glen Perkins or Jared Burton for a struggling outfielder? No thanks. The Twins could put those resources to better use than that, I think.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:42 AM

If the Twins could have had him for virtually nothing, it'd be worth a flyer.

But Glen Perkins or Jared Burton for a struggling outfielder? No thanks. The Twins could put those resources to better use than that, I think.


I probably would have made the move for Burton, relief arms fluctuate so much from year to year. To turn a minor league signing into a potential starting everyday player...I would have made that move.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:45 AM

I probably would have made the move for Burton, relief arms fluctuate so much from year to year. To turn a minor league signing into a potential starting everyday player...I would have made that move.


And if Snider was a struggling middle infielder or pitcher, I'd probably agree. I just don't see the point in trading resources for something the organization has in quantity, even if that quantity isn't quite ready yet.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:48 AM

It's not like the Hicks, Arcia & Benson group are gonna be up early next season. Give Snider 400 at-bats and lets finally see if he can play. Plus it allows Willingham to DH (where he belongs) Doumit to be an actually backup catcher.



Snider is league min or damn close to it.


Yep, I was thinking of Lind. Snider is probably worth a look. I would've been ok with moving a reliever for him but you'd first run it by your scouting guys and check if they think they can fix his on-base issues. It would have been a risky trade but I wouldn't have faulted the team if they did it.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:48 AM

And if Snider was a struggling middle infielder or pitcher, I'd probably agree. I just don't see the point in trading resources for something the organization has in quantity, even if that quantity isn't quite ready yet.


It's called a "risk", might blow up in your face or you get a young everyday outfielder for the next 5 years for a scrap heap signing relief arm.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:53 AM

It's called a "risk", might blow up in your face or you get a young everyday outfielder for the next 5 years for a scrap heap signing relief arm.


If the Twins had made the move for Burton, I'd probably applaud the ballsy-ness of the acquisition.

But I still wouldn't be sold on the point of doing it. Either way, I wouldn't get too upset or happy about it.

But not Perkins. No way.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:55 AM

If the Twins had made the move for Burton, I'd probably applaud the ballsy-ness of the acquisition.

But I still wouldn't be sold on the point of doing it. Either way, I wouldn't get too upset or happy about it.

But not Perkins. No way.


I wouldn't do it for Perkins either, but I pray to everything holy that the Twins have let teams know that Perkins is in play for a trade. Teams lose there minds for relief pitchers at the deadline.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:55 AM

I wouldn't do it for Perkins either, but I pray to everything holy that the Twins have let teams know that Perkins is in play for a trade. Teams lose there minds for relief pitchers at the deadline.


Agreed.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 06:58 AM

The more I look at this trade, the more I like it for the Pirates. It's hard not to like what they're doing in Pittsburgh (how often can one say that?).

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:59 AM

With the impending logjam of outfielders, I see no point in the Twins pursuing an under-performing young outfielder.



Problematically though, there isn't an impending log jam of potential middle-of-the-order hitters coming up through the system.

I don't think Snider is the right fit because we already know that lefty pull-hitters aren't a match with Target Field. But it is the right idea.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:01 AM

Problematically though, there isn't an impending log jam of potential middle-of-the-order hitters coming up through the system.

I don't think Snider is the right fit because we already know that lefty pull-hitters aren't a match with Target Field. But it is the right idea.


The idea is right. The player is wrong.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:03 AM

I would have traded Burton or anyone else in the pen not named Perkins for him in a heart beat. There is a log jam of OF currently, but we are an injury, a trade or Revere reverting to 2011 away from being suddenly a bit shallow. Though it didn't really fit in the Twins plans to bring in another OF at this point to be honest as there just wasn't the at bats to give him.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:07 AM

The idea is right. The player is wrong.


Agree

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:10 AM

The Twins really need to figure out a way to trade for the pitching equivolent of Snider. Guys like Chris Tillman, Brett Cecil, Jair Jurrjens and others come to mind.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:19 AM

Guys like Chris Tillman, Brett Cecil, Jair Jurrjens and others come to mind.


There's a odd thin line when it comes to selling low on pitchers. Tillman, Cecil & Jair have so little value that the teams might as well hang onto them and hope for lighting in a bottle.

But taking a risk like the Sox did when they gave up legit value for Danks & Floyd...that's the type of move the Twins need to look at. It's always a risk, but the Sox bought low on two former top prospects and have been rewarded quite well from it.