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#1 jwb1226

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 02:18 PM

Could we do all right trading morneau after the deadline with teams not wanting to take on his contract through waivers?

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 02:20 PM

They won't take that chance.....and they should'nt. Trade him by Tuesday or wait until the winter or just keep him, they have to get something for him.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 07:59 PM

I think it would be a good bet, and if somebody does claim him you just cancel the deal and pull him back off the waiver wire. You're allowed to do that once a year for each player.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:20 PM

Morneau is a prime candidate for an August trade
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:24 PM

I don't see the Twins trading him at this juncture. They would have to pay most of his salary to get an okay return or they would give him away for nothing to rid themselves of his salary. I know there are quite a few on this site who don't give a hoot about Justin anymore and would not mind him being jettisoned. I hope Justin sticks with the Twins, reclaims 90%+ of his baseball abilities and remains the Twins First Baseman throughout this contract and next contract.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:29 PM

yeah, from a value standpoint, it makes no sense to dump him now... If his improvement continues, I'd bet he'd fetch quite a nice haul next season at the deadline.

#7 Jeremy Nygaard

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:37 PM

The Twins will absolutely place Morneau on waivers. Teams do it every year to see who's interested in their guys. He'll absolutely go unclaimed, because no one will risk just taking on that contract.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 09:06 PM

I don't know; if the Dodgers are willing to eat his salary like they did with Hanley Ramirez, the Twins might have an interested party in Morneau.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:12 PM

He would almost certainly clear waivers. And if he didn't, let the claiming team have him. I'd much rather have Parmalee and $14 million to spend on another pitcher next year.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:23 PM

If Rios got claimed, I don't find it impossible that someone would put in for him. It's one year.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:41 PM

yeah, from a value standpoint, it makes no sense to dump him now... If his improvement continues, I'd bet he'd fetch quite a nice haul next season at the deadline.


Except that you've paid $14M for that haul.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:43 PM

Morneau is a prime candidate for an August trade


I agree.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:50 PM

He would almost certainly clear waivers. And if he didn't, let the claiming team have him. I'd much rather have Parmalee and $14 million to spend on another pitcher next year.

2 things....
1) after what ryan got for frankie , do you trust him to get anything for morneau? after all he got 20,000 for thome and 1 year later the phillys got a #3and a#8 prospect for him
2) do you think ceo jim pohlad would allow 15 million to be spent on a pitcher?, ryan will probally offer baker a contract and maybe bartolo colon 1 also, if he cant lure jaimie moyer out of retirement ..

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:09 PM

I think the Twins, if they don't get the right deal in August, should keep Mornie until the winter while letting him build his trade value, then shop him in the winter. Again, if you don't get what you are looking for, keep him until the deadline next year. Unfortunately, it would take away $14 million that Ryan could spend on a pitcher. So I think the Twins move him in the offseason and sign a pitcher or two with the money saved from his contract.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:14 PM

2 things....
1) after what ryan got for frankie , do you trust him to get anything for morneau? after all he got 20,000 for thome and 1 year later the phillys got a #3and a#8 prospect for him
2) do you think ceo jim pohlad would allow 15 million to be spent on a pitcher?, ryan will probally offer baker a contract and maybe bartolo colon 1 also, if he cant lure jaimie moyer out of retirement ..



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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:17 PM

If a team claims a player, they do have to take him. The ownership team can haul him off the wire, or negotiate a modest prospect player trade. But a team can't claim and then not take the player...unless the team that owns the player decides not to let them go. Teams send players thru waivers at different times, too. Some do their whole roster at one point, just to get an idea of interest.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:18 PM

Except that you've paid $14M for that haul.


Instead of paying 8+ million of his salary this year/next year to bring back nothing of value this year in a trade?

No team is going to take on that contract outright at this point, and no team is certainly going to take that contract and give back some nice prospect at that same time. might as well hope he continues his recent hot streak and becomes a desirable big bat at the deadline next season if the Twins are out of it (ala Carlos Beltran last year)

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:35 AM

Except that you've paid $14M for that haul.


You can pretty much count on paying that salary regardless if it's this year or next year. I would be shocked if a team claimed him and if there is a trade then the Twins will be picking up at least half. Maybe the Twins can add a decent prospect at the next deadline for him. Maybe not but right now they would be lucky to land Eduardo Escobar unless they paid the entire salary.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:41 AM

Why does anyone care about Morneau's salary? Where are they going to spend that money in 2013? Trading Morneau now for little or nothing except salary relief is senseless, unless they're going to turn around and pick up Cliff Lee's remaining $100M. And call me crazy, but I don't see that happening. Continually selling low, seemingly the Twins preferred strategy since Bill Smith took over, is not the way to make the future rosier. I hope JR is smarter than that.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:46 AM

Except that you've paid $14M for that haul.



You will pay this regardless.... but if he continues to move towards his former self, what you get back will be much, much better... if he stays the same, what you get back will be the same as what you would get now if you paid 14M for that haul...

Like I said before, I don't see Justin moving unless someone is willing to severely overpay for him.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 11:19 AM

You will pay this regardless.... but if he continues to move towards his former self, what you get back will be much, much better... if he stays the same, what you get back will be the same as what you would get now if you paid 14M for that haul...

Like I said before, I don't see Justin moving unless someone is willing to severely overpay for him.


By overpaying for him, do you mean willing to pick up the full remainder of his contract?

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 12:01 PM

I mean that and prospects. Justin will fetch more next year at this time, and if he continues to improve, he's going to fetch quite a bit. Why sell low now?