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#1 East Coast Twin

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 03:19 AM

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"In our minds, he's permanent, but I can't speak for Terry," Pohlad said as he watched batting practice at Target Field on Friday, July 27. "We don't have any desire to see a change there, but we know that he's got to make that decision."

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 05:09 AM

................. Nobody cares. It's the Twins. If it isn't JR, it will be BS. JR had his moments, BS ruined our dreams. Either way, the Twins aren't players. Ther are big and small markets, but there is no demand that the Twins make moves. This fanbase does not care!

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:23 AM

I kind of assumed Krivisky was being groomed for the job.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:38 AM

The good old boy's of summer.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:58 AM

Wasn't Pohlad Jr who gave a public vote of confidence through the TC press to Bill Smith after the 99 loss season a couple weeks before he canned him? This is indeed good news then
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 08:10 AM

I kind of assumed Krivisky was being groomed for the job.


I assume Krivisky too--I also think one year is not long enough to judge TR. He has to have time to recover from Bill Smith trades (like Delmon Young, Wilson Ramos) and build the system. The Twins tradeable assets (Span, Willingham, Revere) are limited.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 08:41 AM

Wasn't Pohlad Jr who gave a public vote of confidence through the TC press to Bill Smith after the 99 loss season a couple weeks before he canned him? This is indeed good news then


Except Ryan has done a damn fine job as GM this year, unless you think the Willingham and Doumit signings were garbage?

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:12 AM

Except Ryan has done a damn fine job as GM this year, unless you think the Willingham and Doumit signings were garbage?


What? They are going to lose 90 games again, and didn't get any younger. Willingham and Doumit replaced guys they let leave, they did not sign one FA that successfully upgraded a position they didn't let leave other than the bullpen, which impacts less than 33% of the innings played. They did nothing (successful) to make the team any better at all. Nothing.

Of course he wants him back, the fans never blame Ryan for anything, even when they cut payroll in the third year of a new stadium. He's teflon.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:30 AM

Except Ryan has done a damn fine job as GM this year, unless you think the Willingham and Doumit signings were garbage?

once again terry"curly "ryan proved its better to be lucky then good...when he was trading a.j. he wanted boof bonser, not francisco , he stated with out boof i dont make the deal...he then stated boof was the key player of the trade....now he had 4 free agents, he offered all 4 pay cuts to return and only matt"the crapper" accepted, so ryan had to replace power pitching and try to fix a middle infield....he got lucky with willingham. doughnut(doumit) was an acceptible player to obtain , but marquis? carroll zumyaya(i liked this signing,but expected him to reinjure himself)terry ryan did nothing to fix the twins he came in got bargin basement band-aids over the hill players and sold the kool-aid to the fans and players....

its time for pohlad to be held accountable for his team...spend some of the 62 million they earned in 2011 and with payroll cuts and attendence twins llc are in line to profit even more this year....so go get a pair of front line pitchers resign baker to a incentive ladden contract hope diamond and the other 2 kids improve and that liam hendriks makes the same jump that scotty did this year...but we need 2 ,read it 2 front of the rotation pitchers..
the only credit i give ryan is for sifting through the garbage pile to find some arms for the pen ....

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:35 AM

Ryan is just as guilty as BS for the BS years. BS was a money man and he relied on TR and his good old boys for perssonnel decisions. TR has made this team worse for the future by not investing on young FA building blocks and failing to spend the full draft allotment to upgrade the farm. If he doesnt cash in the old vets like Willy, Frankie, Span etc for future building blocks he has done a. worse job than BS.

Edited by twinswon1991, 28 July 2012 - 09:38 AM.


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 10:56 AM

once again terry"curly "ryan proved its better to be lucky then good...when he was trading a.j. he wanted boof bonser, not francisco , he stated with out boof i dont make the deal...he then stated boof was the key player of the trade....now he had 4 free agents, he offered all 4 pay cuts to return and only matt"the crapper" accepted, so ryan had to replace power pitching and try to fix a middle infield....he got lucky with willingham. doughnut(doumit) was an acceptible player to obtain , but marquis? carroll zumyaya(i liked this signing,but expected him to reinjure himself)terry ryan did nothing to fix the twins he came in got bargin basement band-aids over the hill players and sold the kool-aid to the fans and players....

its time for pohlad to be held accountable for his team...spend some of the 62 million they earned in 2011 and with payroll cuts and attendence twins llc are in line to profit even more this year....so go get a pair of front line pitchers resign baker to a incentive ladden contract hope diamond and the other 2 kids improve and that liam hendriks makes the same jump that scotty did this year...but we need 2 ,read it 2 front of the rotation pitchers..
the only credit i give ryan is for sifting through the garbage pile to find some arms for the pen ....



The AJ deal - all three guys were keys to the trade. Seattle had a good offer as well which required SF to kick in Liriano to outbid Seattle. If any of the three players were excluded, Ryan wouldn't have done the deal. Ryan dramatically improved the teams offense - we were nearly as bad in 2011 as the 2010 Mariners. As a team, our OPS+ went from 84 to about 100 in one offseason. Ryan also dramatically improved our bullpen to the point that we have a few tradeable assets there. The rotation fell apart but Ryan deserves a chance to fix that. And, by the way, suggesting that Baker is an answer for next year is ridiculous. He'll be coming off TJ surgery. He'll struggle a lot.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:10 AM

is why i said incentilve ladden contract... in june or july ,you wouldnt want a scott baker to be called up to replace jaime moyer or jason marquis or posible replace bartolo colon..you know the guy terry "curly"ryan will sign on the cheap and try to claim is just the inning eater we need to become a respectible and feared rotation....? and as for his nickname, curly its because he is 1 of the 3 stooges that pohlad owns

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:05 PM

Lol so all of Ryan's great trades and pick ups were "luck" and the ones that didn't work out were his fault. A lot of great baseball minds in this thread.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:24 PM


A lot of great baseball minds in this thread.


Nearly all show 20-20 hindsight, blind going forward on this board.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:41 PM

................. Nobody cares. It's the Twins. If it isn't JR, it will be BS. JR had his moments, BS ruined our dreams. Either way, the Twins aren't players. Ther are big and small markets, but there is no demand that the Twins make moves. This fanbase does not care!


Terry Ryan is not going to make moves based on what the Fans want or those on Twins Daily.
How is the Fan base suppose to show that they want to see moves? Signs are not allowed at Target Field.
The Fan Base cares about seeing a quality product on the Field. If not, they will continue the trend of showing up as empty seats.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 02:10 PM

Signs are not allowed at Target Field.


For real? Then what is all the circle-me-Bert junk?
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 02:31 PM

For real? Then what is all the circle-me-Bert junk?



I stand partially corrected. Would the Twins tolerate a trade ----------------inside the Stadium?

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 02:33 PM

For real? Then what is all the circle-me-Bert junk?



Only hand-held signs are allowed. No bed sheets with spray paint. Although I have regulary seen a "spans fans" hanging from the upper deck behind home plate.

I believe it to be a more of a selectively enforced policy.

If you try and hang a sign that reads "trade everybody and start over" sign, I think it would be removed pretty quickly.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 02:45 PM

Nearly all show 20-20 hindsight, blind going forward on this board.


Really? You think questioning Marquis and Capps signings is hindsight? I don't think that word means what you think it means*

*if you don't know what movie that is from, I feel bad for you...
Lighten up Francis....

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 03:31 PM

Ryan dramatically improved the teams offense - we were nearly as bad in 2011 as the 2010 Mariners. As a team, our OPS+ went from 84 to about 100 in one offseason.


He did do an amazing job of making Mauer healthy, getting Revere and Butera's BABIPs to jump 40 and 100 points,

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 03:55 PM

I'd be ok with Ryan getting one more chance to fix the rotation. At the very minimum, he and the organization have finally shown in the last year that they are seeking pitchers in the draft and through trade that have the ability to keep guys from putting the ball in play. Even if he won't admit it, that indicates he realizes his past short-comings when it comes to evaluating pitchers. Still, he needs to sign a veteran, possibly two, who are legit front end anchors. Ryan has given exactly ONE multi-year deal to a free agent starter who was not with the Twins the season before, and that was 36-year-old Bob Tewksbury in 1997. That probably surprises no one but none-the-less is shocking. Needless to say, you are not going to be getting an ace in free agency if you refuse to offer more than one year.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 04:27 PM

I assume Krivisky too--


That's why I was surprised by Pohlad's comment regarding Ryan's position as permanent. From Ryan's response it sounds like he was caught off guard.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 10:07 PM

Nearly all show 20-20 hindsight, blind going forward on this board.


This.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 03:48 AM

Really? You think questioning Marquis and Capps signings is hindsight? I don't think that word means what you think it means*

*if you don't know what movie that is from, I feel bad for you...

14/15 saves for Capps, though not pretty at times. Injuries happen. Yes questioning Capps signing given his numbers is poor. Capps, Crain or Guerrier. 1 out of the 3. Only one ever closed. All three had sub par seasons this year. About equal salaries. Whining about Capps is poor at best. Given what the Twins wanted to spend, Marquis signing was about the best they could do. About a .500 pitcher. Questioning his signg versus what at the time? Unproven Diamond. A reclamation project like Sheets that worked later in the season (for how long). Millwood is now 3-8. What was out there that was a free agent pitcher for the same money that worked. NONE. So yeas I think a lot of people on this board work well with hindsight and no foresight.

WTF about a movie? Why should I care about something someone made up? Really, you feel bad because I don't know a movie? As bad as I feel that people on this board expend negative energy towards others, feeling bad because someone does not know a movie? I might as well go read the complete works of Chris Chase.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:13 AM

14/15 saves for Capps, though not pretty at times. Injuries happen. Yes questioning Capps signing given his numbers is poor. Capps, Crain or Guerrier. 1 out of the 3. Only one ever closed. All three had sub par seasons this year. About equal salaries. Whining about Capps is poor at best. Given what the Twins wanted to spend, Marquis signing was about the best they could do. About a .500 pitcher. Questioning his signg versus what at the time? Unproven Diamond. A reclamation project like Sheets that worked later in the season (for how long). Millwood is now 3-8. What was out there that was a free agent pitcher for the same money that worked. NONE. So yeas I think a lot of people on this board work well with hindsight and no foresight.

WTF about a movie? Why should I care about something someone made up? Really, you feel bad because I don't know a movie? As bad as I feel that people on this board expend negative energy towards others, feeling bad because someone does not know a movie? I might as well go read the complete works of Chris Chase.


Hindsight?? Before the Season started, most of the Forum did not like the two pickups. Go back and read some past postings.

Edited by Highabove, 29 July 2012 - 04:59 AM.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:37 AM

You spend a little more, you probaly get a reliable pitcher. Scrape the bottom, you risk throwing away your Money like a cheap TV. Here's a start, a little hindsight yes, but a great Baseball man like Ryan should be able to pluck a few of these. Paul Maholm 4.7 million Erik Bedard 4.5 million Chris Capuano 9million total for 2 years + 1 mil buyout. There will be a large class of these mid level Guys next year.

Edited by Highabove, 29 July 2012 - 05:00 AM.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:46 AM

Of course he wants him back, the fans never blame Ryan for anything, even when they cut payroll in the third year of a new stadium. He's teflon.


Yes, because it was Terry Ryan who made this decision, not the Pohlads. :confused:

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:52 AM

At the risk of being hypocritical, I have to say this. "mike wants wins" and "twinswon1991" are absolutely killing this board with their obnoxious negativity. They poison, every, single, thread. It's not that I don't agree with them, it the way they go about things. They add almost nothing to the conversation. They only complain. If I'm the only one that feels this way, I'll just go on my merry way. But I can't stand reading these posts anymore.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:19 AM

At the risk of being hypocritical, I have to say this.

"mike wants wins" and "twinswon1991" are absolutely killing this board with their obnoxious negativity. They poison, every, single, thread. It's not that I don't agree with them, it the way they go about things. They add almost nothing to the conversation. They only complain. If I'm the only one that feels this way, I'll just go on my merry way. But I can't stand reading these posts anymore.


For months this was a civil forum. We did not have members taking personal shots at each other.
If you do not like postings from a particular member, don't read them!!
There is a wide range of views here from Kool aid to over the top.
That's the way it is.

Edited by Highabove, 29 July 2012 - 06:51 AM.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:26 AM

For months this was a civil forum. You did not have members taking personal shots at each other.
If you do not like postings from a particular member, don't read them!!
There is a wide range of views here from Kool aid to over the top.
That's the way it is.


Like I said, I was probably being hypocritical, and will stop now. But, to me, those are the guys that killed the civility around here.

I'm done now! Promise.