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#1 Willihammer

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:34 PM

Twins send: Willingham, Morneau, $20m Orioles send: Dylan Bundy Willingham would be a huge upgrade in LF and Morneau could thrive against RHP in Yankee stadium and other ALE parks. I watched the O's game yesterday and saw a stat: O's are something like 47-5 when hitting 2+ HRs. O's are, purportedly, shopping for "high obp guys" but they have lived and died with the HR. Would this be enough, or too much, to get Bundy?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:41 PM

The O's would not go for it, Bundy is the Top Pitching prospect in the game right now. For Bundy they would want a Justin Upton or Giancarlo Stanton. Plus the O's should not be buying right now, at least not anything they have to give a real prospect up for. They have the second worst run differentail in the AL. Now if they were dumb enough to go for it I'll help Morneau and Willingham pack thier bags. A more realistic prosepct wold be Zack Lee of the Dodgers.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:50 PM

No chance. The O's are not dealing Bundy. I don't think there is a Twins' package that can net you bundy, outside trading their top 5 prospects and Span.... You have more chance to get Tallion from Pittsburgh, I think, if you are going to aim super high.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:59 PM

Yeah, I don't think the Orioles do it either, which is a little weird considering the Twins are sending their most tradeable asset AND 20 MILLION DOLLARS. But I don't think the Orioles would do it.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:09 PM

Based on what I hear, the Twins will not trade Willingham for Bundy straight up, they would want more. And the O's really have no use for Morneau. I think Liriano plus Span to the O's for something is a more likely package (allegedly the Os are on Liriano and per Olney they are looking for a good OBP guy)
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:23 PM

Based on what you hear? Where? No way do the Orioles move Bundy and no way would the Twins not take Bundy back in a trade straight up for Willingham.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:22 PM

Based on what you hear? Where? No way do the Orioles move Bundy and no way would the Twins not take Bundy back in a trade straight up for Willingham.


Yeah, that's extremely silly.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:27 PM

Based on what you hear? Where? No way do the Orioles move Bundy and no way would the Twins not take Bundy back in a trade straight up for Willingham.


Yeah... JR would be tripping over himself to give both Willingham and Liriano for Bundy... or at least he should be.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:30 PM

Based on what I hear, the Twins will not trade Willingham for Bundy straight up, they would want more. And the O's really have no use for Morneau. I think Liriano plus Span to the O's for something is a more likely package (allegedly the Os are on Liriano and per Olney they are looking for a good OBP guy)



Not to state the obvious, but TR should absolutely ask more than he can get for prospects, knowing full well he's going to ahve to compromise. If Bundy is on the table, I'd imagine that a deal would get done.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:37 PM

If Bundy were on the table, a deal would have already been done.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:01 PM

If anyone here was the GM of the Orioles, they would not for a second consider trading Bundy. The Orioles might make a lesser trade to make a push for the playoffs, which would be good for their fans - resulting in better attendance, hope for the future and good PR. Beyond that there really isn't a realistic trade they could make that would make them World Series contenders. Too many potholes, not enough asphalt to fill them. The Orioles might have a serviceable team right now and they have some okay pieces, but I can feel rest assured that Dan Duquette is not looking at the here and now, but towards 2-3 years from now. Dylan Bundy will not be traded... not now, maybe in 8 years.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:25 PM

Willingham is signed for 2 more years, Morneau for one. Yet the Orioles are said to have interest in Greinke (Free Agent), and with Liriano (Free Agent). What, do you suspect, would/did the Orioles have offered for Greinke? So, if not the package above, then I think the biggest haul for either pitcher would be to sign and shop. No more money spent by the seller and a bigger haul on trade return.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:29 PM

Twins send: Willingham, Morneau, $20m

Orioles send: Dylan Bundy

Willingham would be a huge upgrade in LF and Morneau could thrive against RHP in Yankee stadium and other ALE parks.

I watched the O's game yesterday and saw a stat: O's are something like 47-5 when hitting 2+ HRs. O's are, purportedly, shopping for "high obp guys" but they have lived and died with the HR.

Would this be enough, or too much, to get Bundy?


Ummm.....If you throw in Sano and Buxton the Orioles MIGHT consider this deal. Probably the worst trade proposal I have seen on this site which is saying quite a bit.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:33 PM

[quote name='Willihammer;38471What' date=' do you suspect, would/did the Orioles have offered for Greinke? [/QUOTE']

Not Bundy or Machado. Anything below them in the Orioles' farm system.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:35 PM

Ummm.....If you throw in Sano and Buxton the Orioles MIGHT consider this deal. Probably the worst trade proposal I have seen on this site which is saying quite a bit.


Agreed.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:04 PM

Yeah... JR would be tripping over himself


I guess I'm a dimbulb: could you let me in on the joke? I keep seeing Terry Ryan referred to as JR.

His initials are TWR; he's not a "junior" to father of the same name; he doesn't resemble J.R. Ewing as far as I can see. Please help.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:30 PM

I think they've got him confused with Jeri Ryan. :o

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:35 PM

I think they've got him confused with Jeri Ryan. :o


Take away the hair, they pretty much look the same.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:36 PM

I guess I'm a dimbulb: could you let me in on the joke? I keep seeing Terry Ryan referred to as JR.

His initials are TWR; he's not a "junior" to father of the same name; he doesn't resemble J.R. Ewing as far as I can see. Please help.



It's just some inside joke they (or is just one? he? she?) insist on repeating all the time.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:46 PM

Twins send: Willingham, Morneau, $20m

Orioles send: Dylan Bundy

Willingham would be a huge upgrade in LF and Morneau could thrive against RHP in Yankee stadium and other ALE parks.

I watched the O's game yesterday and saw a stat: O's are something like 47-5 when hitting 2+ HRs. O's are, purportedly, shopping for "high obp guys" but they have lived and died with the HR.

Would this be enough, or too much, to get Bundy?



In 2 days you've got the Twins landing Justin Upton for Span and Dylan Bundy for Morneau-Willingham. Just please stop already troll

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:50 PM

I guess I'm a dimbulb: could you let me in on the joke? I keep seeing Terry Ryan referred to as JR.

His initials are TWR; he's not a "junior" to father of the same name; he doesn't resemble J.R. Ewing as far as I can see. Please help.


It's a running joke that goes back to the ESPN board almost ten years ago. Some poster came onto the board and started berating us over some conversation we were having about Jerry Ryan (or, as he liked to call him, "JR").

The name stuck.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:39 PM

In 2 days you've got the Twins landing Justin Upton for Span and Dylan Bundy for Morneau-Willingham. Just please stop already troll

The former trade idea is consistent with win-now, the latter, with win-later. If you have better ideas to float, than do.

I think like some others-including prospective buyers ("pricey," "More pricey," "Made me laugh") that people over-value the Twins trade chips as the current CBA and contract situations stand. Thus I propose sign and trades wherever possible. A win-now trade for Upton could easily synergize with a return to form by Baker, Pavano, Gibson, Liriano and, combined with healthy seasons from key players (mauer, Willingham) could push this club back into the ALC lead.

The worst would be for returning players to outperform expectations, and the FO stayed away contributors by being close-minded before the 2012 trade deadline. 2013 could look very different from 2011-2012, if the cards fall right. If the cards are wrong, then a firesale now would maximize returns for when a return to form is ripe - 2015-2016 most likely.

One or the other, that is what I would like to know about. Since so much boom-or-bust depends on a few key players - Liriano, Baker, Gibson, Mauer, Morneau, Plouffe, esp. None are sure things, but all have high upside. If things break half/half, then we are like the White Sox cca. 2011-2012 - finishing just outside of contention. Something the Pohlads would certainly prefer to a firesale. Thus I am inquiring to those who want a firesale - what exactly should we do?

Edited by Willihammer, 26 July 2012 - 07:41 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:54 PM

Ideas worth floating are ideas that would make sense for both teams. I really don't see this making sense. Bundy is untouchable. Willingham is our best asset, and Morneau will be a better one if the Twins shop him next year. I'd probably be happy if the Twins flipped Willingham for Bundy. The reality is that unless Bill Smith takes over in Baltimore, that trade isn't happening.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:55 PM

The former trade idea is consistent with win-now, the latter, with win-later. If you have better ideas to float, than do.

I think like some others-including prospective buyers ("pricey," "More pricey," "Made me laugh") that people over-value the Twins trade chips as the current CBA and contract situations stand. Thus I propose sign and trades wherever possible. A win-now trade for Upton could easily synergize with a return to form by Baker, Pavano, Gibson, Liriano and, combined with healthy seasons from key players (mauer, Willingham) could push this club back into the ALC lead.

The worst would be for returning players to outperform expectations, and the FO stayed away contributors by being close-minded before the 2012 trade deadline. 2013 could look very different from 2011-2012, if the cards fall right. If the cards are wrong, then a firesale now would maximize returns for when a return to form is ripe - 2015-2016 most likely.

One or the other, that is what I would like to know about. Since so much boom-or-bust depends on a few key players - Liriano, Baker, Gibson, Mauer, Morneau, Plouffe, esp. None are sure things, but all have high upside. If things break half/half, then we are like the White Sox cca. 2011-2012 - finishing just outside of contention. Something the Pohlads would certainly prefer to a firesale. Thus I am inquiring to those who want a firesale - what exactly should we do?


I do not think anyone was questioning your philosophy. The Twins getting Dylan Bundy and to a lesser note Justin Upton were the target of threader's questioning your supposed returns. These, my friend are delusions of grandure and are out of whack with the real world. These player returns are not in the spectrum of reality... any kind of reality.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:07 PM

It's a running joke that goes back to the ESPN board almost ten years ago. Some poster came onto the board and started berating us over some conversation we were having about Jerry Ryan (or, as he liked to call him, "JR").

The name stuck.


Thanks for the explanation, PP.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:28 PM

The former trade idea is consistent with win-now, the latter, with win-later. If you have better ideas to float, than do.

I think like some others-including prospective buyers ("pricey," "More pricey," "Made me laugh") that people over-value the Twins trade chips as the current CBA and contract situations stand. Thus I propose sign and trades wherever possible. A win-now trade for Upton could easily synergize with a return to form by Baker, Pavano, Gibson, Liriano and, combined with healthy seasons from key players (mauer, Willingham) could push this club back into the ALC lead.

The worst would be for returning players to outperform expectations, and the FO stayed away contributors by being close-minded before the 2012 trade deadline. 2013 could look very different from 2011-2012, if the cards fall right. If the cards are wrong, then a firesale now would maximize returns for when a return to form is ripe - 2015-2016 most likely.

One or the other, that is what I would like to know about. Since so much boom-or-bust depends on a few key players - Liriano, Baker, Gibson, Mauer, Morneau, Plouffe, esp. None are sure things, but all have high upside. If things break half/half, then we are like the White Sox cca. 2011-2012 - finishing just outside of contention. Something the Pohlads would certainly prefer to a firesale. Thus I am inquiring to those who want a firesale - what exactly should we do?


In regards to Justin Upton... Isn't the elephant in the room that he could be available at all.

He is real young... Power Speed... All 5 tools... Under control for a nice chunk of time and under 10 million a year. One of the top talents in baseball.

Why is he being shopped??? Teams don't shop players like this. Unless there is something really wrong with him. Attitude... He runs a dog fighting ring or somethng.

To me it's a red flag so big that bulls are snorting and getting ready to charge for 10 square miles.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:27 PM

The O's would not go for it, Bundy is the Top Pitching prospect in the game right now. For Bundy they would want a Justin Upton or Giancarlo Stanton. Plus the O's should not be buying right now, at least not anything they have to give a real prospect up for. They have the second worst run differentail in the AL. Now if they were dumb enough to go for it I'll help Morneau and Willingham pack thier bags. A more realistic prosepct wold be Zack Lee of the Dodgers.


Yeah, this makes sense.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:33 PM

In regards to Justin Upton... Isn't the elephant in the room that he could be available at all.

He is real young... Power Speed... All 5 tools... Under control for a nice chunk of time and under 10 million a year. One of the top talents in baseball.

Why is he being shopped??? Teams don't shop players like this. Unless there is something really wrong with him. Attitude... He runs a dog fighting ring or somethng.

To me it's a red flag so big that bulls are snorting and getting ready to charge for 10 square miles.


Hey River Brian. It is good to read your written word. Much props.

I can see Upton being out of favor in AZ. He has been shouted out as the next coming of Griffey Jr. and that stuff can quickly go to a you man's head. Who knows, maybe him and Stephen "Mr. Glass" Drew became busom buddies and Stephen's baseball arrogance rubbed off on him. Whatever it is, there has been a Justin Upton trade rumor since last November. Maybe those initial rumors put Justin out and he is requesting a trade in secret. A few things are for sure: 1. He will not be traded to the Twins. 2. Whomever gets him has a player is probably getting a franchise type of player and most probably will take off. 3. AZ wants to see if they can shake him up and get him out of his current funk. No one wants to trade premium prospects anymore and AZ's return will probably be less than what could have been expected 2-4 years ago. I wouldn't trade Upton and neither will the Diamondbacks.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 10:15 PM

Hey River Brian. It is good to read your written word. Much props.

I can see Upton being out of favor in AZ. He has been shouted out as the next coming of Griffey Jr. and that stuff can quickly go to a you man's head. Who knows, maybe him and Stephen "Mr. Glass" Drew became busom buddies and Stephen's baseball arrogance rubbed off on him. Whatever it is, there has been a Justin Upton trade rumor since last November. Maybe those initial rumors put Justin out and he is requesting a trade in secret. A few things are for sure: 1. He will not be traded to the Twins. 2. Whomever gets him has a player is probably getting a franchise type of player and most probably will take off. 3. AZ wants to see if they can shake him up and get him out of his current funk. No one wants to trade premium prospects anymore and AZ's return will probably be less than what could have been expected 2-4 years ago. I wouldn't trade Upton and neither will the Diamondbacks.


Something is up. Especially for a team that... at least on paper... Doesn't appear to be that far off. No need for a fire sale. Good young pitching and exceptional pitching prospects behind that. The farm system is in good shape so you don't have a desperation restocking on your things to do list. The only real hole appears to be 3B... Join the club with that. A bunch of teams have holes at 3B.

You list good reasons but it doesn't add up. I think we have a player out of favor. I won't be drafting him in fantasy baseball next year just in case.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 10:37 PM

A few things are for sure... No one wants to trade premium prospects anymore

The Tigers and Pirates, would beg to differ