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#41 Platoon

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 04:30 AM

And when Sano comes back? Then what. They just keep running from the Sano/Park fiasco. And Rosario is starting to tear it up in AAA. Then what. Trade him, or Kepler so they can keep Plouffe? Polanco? Sink or swim, I hope Oswaldo gets a chance somewhere to settle in, he didn't here. And I think that is an underdiscussed aspect of the team. Players see things, they see some players treated as untouchable, no matter what they do, and others rested completely differently. They notice this. It's one of two things a manager can handle. The other is putting players in a position to succeed. Then it's up to the player. Nunez at SS regularly will be the next example of this!
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Posted 17 June 2016 - 04:32 AM

"Arguably?" Who's your attorney? Johnny Cochran? (He's the only one off the top of my head who got clean away from defending the indefensible.)

If the player don't fit, the front office should (a)quit
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Posted 17 June 2016 - 05:04 AM


Despite the worst record in the AL, this roster is just so loaded that they just didn't have room for him!
Danny Santana, arguably one of the worst non catchers to ever carry a bat to the plate is somehow necessary to hold this team together!
And notice how Seth hedges his bets so that 5 years from now when it's obvious this was a terrible move he can play it off as just another unlucky set of circumstances for Terry.

On a 100+ loss team it's just sad that they couldn't commit to giving his bat a legit opportunity.
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Posted 17 June 2016 - 05:10 AM

I'm going on record as hating this move.

Might it be better for Arcia? Sure, and good for him. Is it likely to be better for the Twins? Of course not, and if they had approached this situation with some common sense they wouldn't be in the position of giving away potential for nothing.
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Posted 17 June 2016 - 05:35 AM

http://www.startribu...wins/377063081/

 

The recap of this game 4/26 game with Arcia hitting the gamewinning HR says it all. Arcia's got great potential and the Twin leadership (like'em or hate'em -- they are the ones making the decision) got too tired of him not following their fairly straightforward advice repeated perhaps thousands of times: Ozzie, don't swing so hard. If they felt Arcia had the ability to learn, Kelper would have been sent down or Santana would have been DFA'd. 

 

Arcia might have an impact in the MLB some day. I personally wouldn't bet on it (but I wouldn't bet very much against it either :cool: . Goin' way out on a hypothetical limb here!)

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 05:51 AM

If Plouffe had been traded, Sano would have been at third and Arcia would have been given a better look this year. If these had been his numbers with double or triple the playing time, then fine, time to cut bait. Unfortunately, Arcia was not given much of a chance this year to bounce back so I am upset. I love Arcias passion. I love his raw energy and emotion. Our team needs more of that. I love his home run power and what he did as a rookie. He had many flaws and I understand managements frustrations but he was so young and raw. SMH, *sigh*
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Posted 17 June 2016 - 05:58 AM

Thank goodness we kept Santana! He can field badly, just like Arcia and hit much worse and do so in many more positions. 'Cuz, he's versatile.
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Posted 17 June 2016 - 05:59 AM

I'm not a big Arcia fan... I don't think he's going to go all Big Papi.

I'm less of a fan of Santana, who provides bad defense wherever you put him and doesn't hit a lick. I'm also of a mind that signing Park was a big mistake, and that optioning him would be in everyone's best interests at this point.

On the plus side, there's one fewer player blocking Sano's permanent move to right field.

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:13 AM

I'm far from sold on Arcia.  He may prove to go the route of a Valencia and eventually get there.  I see him as more of a platoon guy that hits a HR every so often and strikes out most of the rest of the time.  His lack of plate discipline is his undoing.  That being said, if he cleans that up he could be quite productive.  I don't see him going Ortiz on us regardless though.  I'm not going to lose sleep over him being gone, but how they even got to this point is just item on the list of reasons this FO is a clown show.

 

That being said, this timing makes little sense.  They knew Santana was coming back in a matter of days when they signed Neil Ramirez.  They simply could have not signed a guy that was waived by two teams in three weeks and let Chargois get another inning or two.  Then when Santana was ready to come back, they send Chargois down.  I wouldn't be that bothered with carrying 12 pitchers, Molitor just has to use them more efficiently.  But the best answer was to let Santana sit in Rochester for a bit while you worked out a trade for one of the big league position players.  Development to win more games later on should be the focus, not necessarily winning games now.

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:15 AM

I would like to designate the Twins' front office for assignment.

 

What a dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb decision.

 

I don't mind the Byung Ho Park signing. But I think Arcia should have been the designated hitter this season, given his power and hitting potential. I also believe that he will find another team and will absolutely rake. 

 

Neither Park nor Kepler are hitting much. And they have options. Why not send one of them down? Why not send a reliever? Why not, you know, trade Plouffe while you still can?

 

And speaking of trades, it's looking like the magic fairy dust Abad used to be lights out this year has worn off, reducing his trade value. 

 

This team and front office need to understand that this isn't about this year at all. There's no point in somehow trying to rescue the season. They need to get themselves ready for next year. 

 

Twins don't need my ticket money this year.

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:16 AM

I'm far from sold on Arcia.He may prove to go the route of a Valencia and eventually get there.I see him as more of a platoon guy that hits a HR every so often and strikes out most of the rest of the time.His lack of plate discipline is his undoing.That being said, if he cleans that up he could be quite productive.I don't see him going Ortiz on us regardless though.I'm not going to lose sleep over him being gone, but how they even got to this point is just item on the list of reasons this FO is a clown show.

That being said, this timing makes little sense.They knew Santana was coming back in a matter of days when they signed Neil Ramirez.They simply could have not signed a guy that was waived by two teams in three weeks and let Chargois get another inning or two.Then when Santana was ready to come back, they send Chargois down.I wouldn't be that bothered with carrying 12 pitchers, Molitor just has to use them more efficiently.But the best answer was to let Santana sit in Rochester for a bit while you worked out a trade for one of the big league position players.Development to win more games later on should be the focus, not necessarily winning games now.

I'd be interested to know if TR even tried to trade him first.

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:21 AM

With how bad the Twins pitching staff is, you need players in the OF who can chase down all the balls hammered around.  Arcia can't do that.  Now, try to get something for Plouffe in a trade and move Sano to third.


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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:29 AM

 

Danny Santana has the same dirt on Molitor that Punto had on Gardy.

 

At least Punto was good at something (defense), there's literally nothing Santana is good at other than being fairly speedy

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:33 AM

With a roster that has Buxton, Kepler, and Escobar, Santana is not needed as a backup CF.

With Dozier, Escobar, and Nunez he is not needed to back up SS either.

So we could have hung onto the higher upside guy and cut the extremely replaceable Santana. Or send Park to AAA which it looks like he should be for a little while.

But the easy way to make sense of these things is to first accept that this FO has literally no idea what they are doing. Then you see these things and it makes perfect sense
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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:38 AM

 

With a roster that has Buxton, Kepler, and Escobar, Santana is not needed as a backup CF.

With Dozier, Escobar, and Nunez he is not needed to back up SS either.

So we could have hung onto the higher upside guy and cut the extremely replaceable Santana. Or send Park to AAA which it looks like he should be for a little while.

But the easy way to make sense of these things is to first accept that this FO has literally no idea what they are doing. Then you see these things and it makes perfect sense

Santana can play semi-competent defense in so many places, that's his value.  I just hope that this is a sign that TR is actually actively trying to move some of these veterans and may need a very short term stop gap player.  I'm not overly optimistic that is the approach however.  That requires too much foresight for this FO.

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:38 AM

The problem with moves like this is not the individual player or the individual move, it is the collective confusion that every move seems to reflect.  12 pitchers - yes we have a bad pitching staff - is 12 terrible pitchers better than 11 terrible pitchers?  

 

I am so disappointed in the development of players, the swing and miss on so much potential from so many players is beyond frustrating.  

What does a Twins fan look to for the rest of the season. It already seems so long and we have not even reached the all-star game.  And please, change the rules. No Twin All stars this year. 

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:39 AM

I actually agree with this decision. He's had 3 years to clean up his D/O and still hasn't done it. He may have talent but if he can't get his head screwed on right it's not going to happen. Don't you think the Twinis have tried to trade him, even for a bag of balls and no one was interested. It's possible he clears waivers and end up in Rochester. I still remember couple years ago watching him for all 3 games in Tampa when things were going good for him, missing cb's by a foot (twisting his underwear in the process), try snapping the bat in half over knee, rinse and repeat, having a flyball miss his glove and hit his shoulder. He's entertaining, that's for sure.
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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:51 AM

[quote name="wsnydes" post="500292" timestamp="1466167082"]

Santana can play semi-competent defense in so many places, that's his value. quote]

There is no difference between Santana and Beresford. Or about 12 guys on waivers every day. And defensive flexibility should not be a priority now
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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:59 AM

 

[quote name="wsnydes" post="500292" timestamp="1466167082"]

Santana can play semi-competent defense in so many places, that's his value. quote]

There is no difference between Santana and Beresford. Or about 12 guys on waivers every day. And defensive flexibility should not be a priority now

I wasn't necessarily trying to say it was. Beresford or the 12 guys on waivers aren't on the 40 man, so that complicates things further (unless they did the smart thing and not claimed Ramirez).  If that happens, then you have two guys that can do the same thing on the 40 man.  That doesn't make sense either.

 

Fact of the matter is that the Park signing and a long list of other roster mismanagement led to this point.  It always goes back to the pieces of this roster puzzle not fitting.  I for one don't mind that they chose to move on from him.  I do mind how they got here.  

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 07:04 AM

Another victim of the decision to not trade Plouffe.

This is just terrible asset management. Terrible.
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