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Would you trade Liriano for what the Pirates gave the Astros for Wandy?

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#1 Thrylos

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:20 PM

The Astros get Rudy Owens, a 24 year old LHP who is repeating AAA this season and is 8-5 with 3.14 ERA and 1.168 WHIP, 6.5 K/9 and 3.4 K/BB), Robbie Grossman a 22 year old toolsy CF who is hitting .262/.374/.403 with 7 HRs in AA and Colton Cain a 21 year old LHP who is pitching in high A with 4.20 ERA, 1.240 WHIP, 6.1 K/9 and 2.04 K/BB. Not top 100 MLB prospects and only Grossman was on BA's list of the Pirates' top 10 prospects at number 8. The Pirates also got some $. If you were the Twins, would you trade Liriano for that?
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:38 PM

Absolutely I would take that haul for Liriano! Is it really worth it to keep him around the rest of the year only to lose him to free agency? Or run the risk of him going back to his old ways so you can't even risk offering him the qualifying offer to gain a draft pick? At this point any live warm body is worth it unless they can sign him to a VERY, VERY, VERY team freindly deal before the deadline. Unfortunately, Terry Ryan may have overplayed his hand as there are very few suitors left and more pitchers on the market than initially thought: Johnson, Big Erv, Shields, etc.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:41 PM

Hell no. Not a single one of those guys looks to profile to even be an MLB regular. I'd rather keep him in the first place, but if you're going to trade him at least get something worthwhile.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:44 PM

Hell no. Not a single one of those guys looks to profile to even be an MLB regular. I'd rather keep him in the first place, but if you're going to trade him at least get something worthwhile.


Keep him for what? So you can lose 98 games instead of 101? I don't understand why you would keep a tradeable asset when you can cash him in for something. I am too risk adverse to gamble that he will be good enough over the last 2 months that the Twins will net the draft pick. And if he sucks down the stretch I surely don't want to make him the 12.5 mil qualifying offer.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:48 PM

Looked to me like the Astros were going for quantity over quality...I'd probably pass. I think the Twins can get one quality spec for him at the core of the deal - and that should be their aim.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:51 PM

I really don't like that group of players to be honest. It's a good move for the Astros because they get rid of Rodriguez's massive contract, but I hope the Twins could do better. I'd rather get a $5 bill than three $1s.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:53 PM

unless the twins can sign Liriano to a team friendly contract, I would take this deal. If he pitches bad on Sunday, his trade value goes to zero, along with your return. I would like to get more, but Terry Ryan cannot overplay this and wind up with zero.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:54 PM

I'd take that... Granted, there's still a week left before the deadline, so I'm going to hope for even more, but that would be a nice package. And frankly, the Twins need quality, but they also need some quantity too... all three are top 12 or so prospects, so that's pretty good. Especially for a guy who, two months ago, many wanted to just release.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:00 PM

Well Dick says the goal now is to catch KC and get out of last place. Not sure we can do that without Liriano and that would really mean more than getting a few prospects that might turn into players. We have so much talent stockpiled in the minors do we even have room for them?:confused:

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:01 PM

Yes.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:03 PM

If you were the Twins, would you trade Liriano for that?


Owens is OK, Grossman strikes out a lot. Neither of the pitchers appear to be power type pitchers. I'm not too thrilled with that trio, but if that was the only offer I'd take it.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:10 PM

I would take the value, though I wouldn't necessarily want my return centered around a "toolsy" outfielder. The Twins, on the other hand...

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:14 PM

Owens is OK, Grossman strikes out a lot. Neither of the pitchers appear to be power type pitchers. I'm not too thrilled with that trio, but if that was the only offer I'd take it.


Grossman is playing in the Eastern League (AA). He is hitting .262/.374/.403 with 58 BB and 77 K. Twins' own Aaron Hicks (also 22 and also in the same league) is hitting .273/.371/.432 with 52 BB and 86 K. Not that much different but if anything Hicks strikes out more than Grossman ;)

I think that Grossman has no place with the Twins because of Hicks (and Benson and Morales and Buxton etc.) and I suspect that the Twins would try to pry someone else from the Pirates or get 2 instead of 3 prospects...
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:17 PM

I'd take that... Granted, there's still a week left before the deadline, so I'm going to hope for even more, but that would be a nice package. And frankly, the Twins need quality, but they also need some quantity too... all three are top 12 or so prospects, so that's pretty good. Especially for a guy who, two months ago, many wanted to just release.


Not according to Sickels, but he did have Grossman at #5 before the season.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:20 PM

at this point I would take anything decent for Liriano. None of these players have much upside and the best prospect isn't a pitcher but at the same time I would rather have too many OF'ers than get nothing.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:24 PM

That seems like pretty good value actually.. Grossman is a good prospect who could prob be an everyday regular and Colton Cain could be a sleeper. Cain was an overslot draft pick and well regarded. Still young too so may develop more. Hopefully the Twins model after this trade.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:25 PM

Baseball America had Grossman 8th, Cain 13th & Owens 16th coming into thes season. Our equilivant woulda been Kyle Gibson 8th, Corey Williams 13th & Adrian Salcedo 16th

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:02 PM

Pirates still HAVE SS Alen Hanson B+ OF Jorge Palonco B+ OF Starling Marte B SP Luis Heredia B+ / A- SP Zach Van Rosenburg C+ SP Nich Kingham C+ theres still some chips for them to play around with and thats assuming Cole and Taillon are untouchable.

Top Twins prospects ? 1.Byron Buxton (OF-AA) 2.Miguel Sano (3B-AA) 3.Alex Meyer (SP-AAA) 4. J.O. Berrios (P-AA) 5.Kohl Stewart (SP-A+)6.Nick Gordon (SS-A)7. Jorge Polanco (2B-AA) 8.*Trevor May (SP-AAA) 9. L. Thorpe (SP-A) 10. Nick Burdi (RP-A+) 11. Eddie Rosario (2B-AA) 12.Max Kepler (OF-AA) 13. Chih-Wei-Hu (SP-A+)14. Travis Harrison (OF-A+) Just Missed :P P Tyler Duffey, P Jake Reed, P Stephen Gonsalves, C Stuart Turner, OF A.B. Walker.


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:03 PM

I'd hold out for one quality prospect rather than 3 middle of the road guys.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:06 PM

I'd hold out for one quality prospect rather than 3 middle of the road guys.


What if this means you get nothing?