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#901 ChiTownTwinsFan

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:31 PM

 

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:36 PM

 

yeah, but that happens in quick chats. I imagine that's why a followup was asked by the poster.

 

and he's not a Mariners blogger :-)

 

Of course he is a Mariners' blogger. Despite the fact that he is outsourcing his blog these days...

Wonder whether someone asked if the Dodgers had Dozier, would they trade him to the Twins for DeLeon straight up too...

 

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:44 PM

 

Of course he is a Mariners' blogger. Despite the fact that he is outsourcing his blog these days...

Wonder whether someone asked if the Dodgers had Dozier, would they trade him to the Twins for DeLeon straight up too...

 

Duh.

He used to be a Mariners blogger.  He has long since moved on and has a bunch of experience covering all teams.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:50 PM

I like Cameron, generally enjoy his thinking, but I can't endorse his Dozier for De Leon take here.
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:53 PM

 

He used to be a Mariners blogger.  He has long since moved on and has a bunch of experience covering all teams.

 

Sure.And rooting for all of them I suspect;)

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:54 PM

I like Cameron, generally enjoy his thinking, but I can't endorse his Dozier for De Leon take here.


I disagree also but to be fair, Cameron appears to be unjustifiably high on De Leon, not down on Dozier.

I like the guy but a 24-year-old righty throwing 92-93 and a below average breaking pitch? That seems much more iffy than Cameron describes. Seems like he has him as a top 10 kind of prospect.
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:57 PM

I disagree also but to be fair, Cameron appears to be unjustifiably high on De Leon, not down on Dozier.

I like the guy but a 24-year-old righty throwing 92-93 and a below average breaking pitch? That seems much more iffy than Cameron describes. Seems like he has him as a top 10 kind of prospect.


Cameron gives great credence to changeup guys, which might explain his valuation.

Sickels also had him as a A/A- prospect, which would put him in the 5-10 range for pitchers.

I like De Leon, would gladly have him as a centerpiece, but there is too much risk for a straight up offer.
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:58 PM

 

I disagree also but to be fair, Cameron appears to be unjustifiably high on De Leon, not down on Dozier.

I like the guy but a 24-year-old righty throwing 92-93 and a below average breaking pitch? That seems much more iffy than Cameron describes. Seems like he has him as a top 10 kind of prospect.

Sickels had him as the #5 prospect in baseball in his end of September prospect listing (so after the minor league system AND draft).

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 07:13 PM

 

Sickels had him as the #5 prospect in baseball in his end of September prospect listing (so after the minor league system AND draft).

 

He's an A- now, so I doubt that will be the case when he releases his big list.No question he'd be instantly the top prospect in our system though. 


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 07:24 PM

 

He's an A- now, so I doubt that will be the case when he releases his big list.No question he'd be instantly the top prospect in our system though. 

 

I'd question that ;)

 

And not only because he already started 4 games in the majors.

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#911 Mike Sixel

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 08:59 AM

9:12
J. Peterman: Do you still believe in Berrios?
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Paul Swydan: I WANT to believe. But my faith is waning, for sure.
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Dr Evil: While the Twins may not have a huge # of options for Dozier beyond the Dodgers, should they hold out for a significant 2nd piece beyond Deleon?
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Paul Swydan: Yes, absolutely. The Dodgers are bluffing. They’re not starting Kike Hernandez at second all year.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:00 AM

 

I don't agree with Dave that De Leon by himself is a reasonable return for Dozier.... However, I do agree with him that the Twins are making a mistake holding Dozier for a better offer down the line. 

 

The Twins are in between the ultimate rock and a hard place. It's a mistake to hang on to him- very low likelihood of a better deal at the deadline, plus a high risk of Dozier slumping, not to mention one half year less of production. Dozier is worth more than De Leon right now, but there isn't much of a market for him right now. The Twins have zero leverage and the Dodgers know this.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:04 AM

 

I disagree also but to be fair, Cameron appears to be unjustifiably high on De Leon, not down on Dozier.

I like the guy but a 24-year-old righty throwing 92-93 and a below average breaking pitch? That seems much more iffy than Cameron describes. Seems like he has him as a top 10 kind of prospect.

 

Well, John Sickels has De Leon as his #5 overall post-2016 prospect (released Sept, 24th). A lot of people are high on De Leon. 

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:07 AM

 

Sickels had him as the #5 prospect in baseball in his end of September prospect listing (so after the minor league system AND draft).

 

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:30 AM

 

The Twins are in between the ultimate rock and a hard place. It's a mistake to hang on to him- very low likelihood of a better deal at the deadline, plus a high risk of Dozier slumping, not to mention one half year less of production. Dozier is worth more than De Leon right now, but there isn't much of a market for him right now. The Twins have zero leverage and the Dodgers know this.

 

The leverage is they don't trade him and the Dodgers have a worse solution. It's not ideal leverage but it's not zero.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:47 AM

 

The leverage is they don't trade him and the Dodgers have a worse solution. It's not ideal leverage but it's not zero.

 

The Dodgers are the favorite to win their division and are one of the top teams in baseball. The Cubs are going to regress without Chapman and Fowler. How much would Dozier improve their team over a different option? To me Dozier seems like a luxury for them. 

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:53 AM

 

The Dodgers are the favorite to win their division and are one of the top teams in baseball. The Cubs are going to regress without Chapman and Fowler. How much would Dozier improve their team over a different option? To me Dozier seems like a luxury for them. 

 

Probably true. Which is why there's no trade.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:09 AM

BL27
12:02 what to expect about Miguel Sano in 2017 ? 35 HR - 90 RBI ?

 

Eno Sarris
12:02 Too early to hang the injury tag on him, so yeah.

 

Bork
12:05 How do you predict the Twins/Dozier saga ending?

 

Eno Sarris
12:05 A trade, probably to the Dodgers.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:23 AM

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12:22 Hey Eno - do you see Buxton fulfilling all the promise this year? Chances on a .280 season with 25+ homers and 50+ steals?

 

Eno Sarris
12:22 I'm pretty down on him.
So many whiffs.
Mechanics so messed up.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:26 AM

 

JT Snow
12:22 Hey Eno - do you see Buxton fulfilling all the promise this year? Chances on a .280 season with 25+ homers and 50+ steals?

 

Eno Sarris
12:22 I'm pretty down on him.
So many whiffs.
Mechanics so messed up.

Ha! I was just going to post that... Also, JT Snow... Haven't read that name in 10+ years. 

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