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#1 Mike Sixel

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 09:29 AM

I'm just going to post here whenever they do an article on the Twins.

 

Today, they have one on Trevor May (noting some changes in set up, and in approach and outcomes).

 

they also have one on Berrios, where his top statistical comparison is...........Pedro Martinez.

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 09:33 AM

 

they also have one on Berrios, where his top statistical comparison is...........Pedro Martinez.

Pedro is probably Berrios' floor, IMO.

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 09:39 AM

 

Pedro is probably Berrios' floor, IMO.

 

hahahahahahaha, I'm going to take that as humor. 

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 09:40 AM

 

Pedro is probably Berrios' floor, IMO.

I guess it depends on which Pedro you're talking about Brock.

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 09:42 AM

 

I guess it depends on which Pedro you're talking about Brock.

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 09:43 AM

 

DID I SPECIFY? STOP STRAWMANNING MY ARGUMENT.

 

less coffee today might be a good idea......

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:03 AM

I think we'll see a lot of the same pitching approach with Berrios that we see with Trevor May. Finally we will see some Twins pitchers who utilize the high fastball to get swings and misses.

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:09 AM

There was also a nice little dig at Eduardo Escobar at the end of the Berrios article. I'm not sure that he deserves to be lumped into the same category as Kurt Suzuki in terms of noting the upgrades that will be in place at their positions in the future..

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#9 Mike Sixel

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:15 AM

 

There was also a nice little dig at Eduardo Escobar at the end of the Berrios article. I'm not sure that he deserves to be lumped into the same category as Kurt Suzuki in terms of noting the upgrades that will be in place at their positions in the future..

 

I noticed that also........

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:17 AM

In terms of pure stuff and control yeah I can see how Berrios could be compared to Perdo Martinez. Add to that both are similar size and yeah I see it.
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:55 AM

Pedro is a little shorter and has ridiculously large hands...which is why his change-up was maybe the best of all time. But awesome comp! Going to be fun tonight-this is definitely the most excited I've been to see a Twin's pitcher since...maybe Liriano?

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 11:09 AM

 

I noticed that also........

 

Yeah, this is the one that actually stood out to me:

 

-There’s no doubt that Berrios makes the Twins a better team in 2016. He’s a clear upgrade over Kyle Gibson, who he’ll be replacing in Minnesota’s rotation.-

 

I really want an analytical team, but there are some compelling arguments as to why players SHOULDN'T read Fangraphs.

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#13 Mike Sixel

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 11:19 AM

 

Yeah, this is the one that actually stood out to me:

 

-There’s no doubt that Berrios makes the Twins a better team in 2016. He’s a clear upgrade over Kyle Gibson, who he’ll be replacing in Minnesota’s rotation.-

 

I really want an analytical team, but there are some compelling arguments as to why players SHOULDN'T read Fangraphs.

 

I missed that part.......I think they are surprisingly imprecise in their writing, for a mostly math site.

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#14 Mike Sixel

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 12:49 PM

Not only is there a Buxton article.....Parker is credited in it.

 

http://www.fangraphs...h-byron-buxton/

 

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 12:56 PM

 

Not only is there a Buxton article.....Parker is credited in it.

 

http://www.fangraphs...h-byron-buxton/

 

These guys cannot do math (or let excel do it and have no editing)  17-2 = 16

 

The one thing that this article fails to mention is that Buxton's problem was not on his toes, but dealing with major league breaking balls, a thing he did not have to deal with in AAA.  Time will tell if the leg thing might help

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 01:10 PM

Is the toe-tap with two strikes the modern day version of choking up with two strikes?
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Posted 03 June 2016 - 01:23 PM

 

Yeah, this is the one that actually stood out to me:

 

-There’s no doubt that Berrios makes the Twins a better team in 2016. He’s a clear upgrade over Kyle Gibson, who he’ll be replacing in Minnesota’s rotation.-

 

I really want an analytical team, but there are some compelling arguments as to why players SHOULDN'T read Fangraphs.

 

Sometimes I feel like we -- I also write at Fangraphs -- are in a rush to be so smart that we also want to be really dickish.

 

You know, as if Eduardo Escobar hasn't been a fine shortstop prior to this year. Or Kyle Gibson not being a decent starter -- or at least not the "first guy out" on the depth chart. 

 

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 01:58 PM

To be fair, it could have been a typo or brain fart, and/or related to the fact the Escobar and Gibson were pretty bad in April along with their longer-term questions.


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Posted 03 June 2016 - 02:03 PM

These guys cannot do math (or let excel do it and have no editing)  17-2 = 16

Might be roundoff, since they weren't showing any decimal places.

 

1.6 becomes 2,

17.4 becomes 17,

17.4-1.6=15.8 becomes 16.

 

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 02:49 PM

" I started with it, I got rid of it, and brought it back,” Buxton said, saying that the changes along the way were “just to change” and came from “not trusting myself.”"

 

Apparently, from pitch to pitch...

 

Um, not listening to his coaches?Head case?  

 

The 1st video shows a different problem:pitch recognition.The mechanics look pretty sound.Experience is the cure and if that's the only problem, then Buxton should stay in the majors.But it's not.

 

2nd pitch, I'll argue that Parker is wrong.I don't believe that toe tap is a planned strategy.If it is, it's a really stupid one.As shown in the video, that swing was not more compact. 

 

What happened here is Buxton got fooled again, over-committed to the pitch and, what seemed like, trying to reload his swing somehow.You'll never generate bat speed that way.A lot of wind and a lot of K's.

 

Me, the 1st time I'd see that toe tap, back to AAA.He's gotta learn sound, consistently repeatable, mechanics.

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