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#1 Fatt Crapps

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 02:22 PM

http://www.startribu.../162973386.html

I wish he would stop pretending he knows a lick about hoops...he should be embarrassed.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:21 PM

http://www.startribu.../162973386.html

I wish he would stop pretending he knows a lick about hoops...he should be embarrassed.


I don't see a problem with this column.
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#3 TheLeviathan

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:43 PM

Yeah, he's right - Adelman does need to be able to coach these guys into the rotation.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:44 PM

This is feeling more and more like a 35-38 win team for years to come, what are the crowds at Target Center going to be like once Rubio or Love are gone?

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:29 PM

I went to almost every single home game last season - my thoughts are that due to the shortened season there just wasn't time to work with these guys beyond trying to win games. This season should be a lot more interesting - hopefully you see a lot more movement than just pick and roll.

Adelmen should get a ton of credit - I feel that he was the main reason the Wolves had their first decent season in years, and if it wasn't for injuries they even had a shot at the playoffs.

"why was Williams as erratic and confused on the court in Game 66 as he was at season's start?" is just an inflammatory comment with no basis.

I do feel that Williams wasn't played much, and when he was played often didn't "wow" me, but what can you expect first year with no pre season? Adelmen would play guys and stick with what was hot each quater and each game. He didn't play favorites - whoever was hot that night got the floor time.




#6 Fatt Crapps

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:25 PM

Yeah, he's right - Adelman does need to be able to coach these guys into the rotation.


So Adelman needs to teach Wes how to shoot a wide open jumper? Or how to give a damn and actually attempt to go for a rebound? He's been an insanely terrible bust..that's on Khan for taking the old geezer with a limited ceiling.

D-Will is only 20 and played in a shortened season, it's way too early to decide his potential. If he continues to be too slow to defend the quick 2/3's and too soft for the big boys, Adelman should be embarrassed?

I mean, Adam Morrison was the #3 overall pick in the 2006 draft. You mean to tell me Phil Jackson couldn't turn him into a productive NBA player?...he should be embarrassed.

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#7 TheLeviathan

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:57 AM

If Adelman gets all the credit for the turnaround, then he also gets all the blame for some wheels just spinning.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:12 PM

If Adelman gets all the credit for the turnaround, then he also gets all the blame for some wheels just spinning.



Not really fair first year on the job with the team, in a shortened season with no time to work with these guys other than at actual games.

This year should be a lot better than what was already a great season, even if they missed the playoffs.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

If Adelman gets all the credit for the turnaround, then he also gets all the blame for some wheels just spinning.



*sigh*

#10 TheLeviathan

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:09 PM

You both are missing the point. Some of the success last year had little to do with Adelman yet many give him total credit. All Reusse is saying is that if you want to go that over the top in cr4editing him there were negatives as well. Personally I don't feel he is the end-all, be-all good or bad. Quit hyperventilating over a perfectly valid attack on over-the-top praise.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:52 AM

You both are missing the point. Some of the success last year had little to do with Adelman yet many give him total credit. All Reusse is saying is that if you want to go that over the top in cr4editing him there were negatives as well. Personally I don't feel he is the end-all, be-all good or bad. Quit hyperventilating over a perfectly valid attack on over-the-top praise.


LOL. Give me a source where someone gives Adelman "total credit" for the team's success. The above poster says he should get a ton...seems like you're twisting words for the sake of your argument. Shocker.

Wes is an absolute joke, anyone who watches him play can tell he just doesn't give a damn. How can someone with that length and jumping ability average under 3 rebounds a game?

How does an outside shooter function so much more poorly with the creative Rubio as his point guard than he did a year earlier with a harried Luke Ridnour bouncing the ball off his knee?


Um, he had countless wide open 3's that Rubio dished to him. He was one of many shooters on the team that was broke all year..does Adelman need to teach him how to shoot a basic jumper?

As for D-Will, he's young and played in a shortened season so the verdict is still out on him clearly. But if continues to be completely overmatched on D against the quicker little guys, and get bossed around by the big boys...why should Adelman be the one that's embarrassed? Like I've already said, busts happen every year (Kwame Brown, Thabeet, Adam Morrison, countless others) If D-Will doesn't live up to his draft status like those guys, sure the coach should get a little blame, but to say he should be embarrassed?...the dude with a 971-656 coaching record?...look, it's just a stupid, stupid article. Stop trying to argue otherwise.

Edited by Fatt Crapps, 21 July 2012 - 03:18 AM.


#12 TheLeviathan

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:35 AM

LOL. Give me a source where someone gives Adelman "total credit" for the team's success. The above poster says he should get a ton...seems like you're twisting words for the sake of your argument. Shocker..


A source? Talk around town is to basically worship Adelman. I love that we signed him, but the way he's handled Williams so far has less than impressed me. I'm not going to defend him on that and Reusse is right on a number of counts in this article about the way they're treating this kid. I'm less inclined to agree with the Wes Johnson stuff, but you are way over the top with your Reusse hatred.

As you said, it's "way too early to decide" on Williams. Someone should get that memo to Adelman. But tone down your nonsense about Reusse - if you hate the guy fine. That's obvious. But this article has a number of valid points.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:30 AM

A source? Talk around town is to basically worship Adelman. I love that we signed him, but the way he's handled Williams so far has less than impressed me. I'm not going to defend him on that and Reusse is right on a number of counts in this article about the way they're treating this kid. I'm less inclined to agree with the Wes Johnson stuff, but you are way over the top with your Reusse hatred.

As you said, it's "way too early to decide" on Williams. Someone should get that memo to Adelman. But tone down your nonsense about Reusse - if you hate the guy fine. That's obvious. But this article has a number of valid points.


You are asking him to tone things down yet going off the deep end yourself with your assessments and statements.

Adelmen is not getting total praise, nobody said that but you. The point that you are missing, as you like to say, is that you are making inflammatory statements with no basis, much like Reusse did.

#14 TheLeviathan

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:57 AM

Adelmen is not getting total praise, nobody said that but you. The point that you are missing, as you like to say, is that you are making inflammatory statements with no basis, much like Reusse did.


I accused no one in this thread of that. I said "many people" which you and Crapps have taken personally. If you don't hold that viewpoint, don't associate with it. Reusse is writing based on what he hears around town from the general population so I'm defending the viewpoint he is writing against, not what you or anyone else here thinks individually. But it is out there that Adelman is beyond criticism - it's been pretty lovey-dovey with him so far. I don't think any coach is beyond criticism and all Reusse is doing here is suggesting that there are some things from last year that you cannot put in the "win" column for the Adelman coaching staff.

Adelman has not been particularly positive about Williams and is constantly dismissive about the hope that he can play the three. He has been less than encouraging and nurturing to a guy that I feel has a ton of potential. It's perfectly valid to call that out.

Edited by TheLeviathan, 21 July 2012 - 10:00 AM.


#15 Fatt Crapps

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:35 AM

A source? Talk around town is to basically worship Adelman. I love that we signed him, but the way he's handled Williams so far has less than impressed me. I'm not going to defend him on that and Reusse is right on a number of counts in this article about the way they're treating this kid. I'm less inclined to agree with the Wes Johnson stuff, but you are way over the top with your Reusse hatred.

As you said, it's "way too early to decide" on Williams. Someone should get that memo to Adelman. But tone down your nonsense about Reusse - if you hate the guy fine. That's obvious. But this article has a number of valid points.



No, you just made that up. That's your thing.

And no, the article does not have a number of valid points. But there's no point in continuing this argument (or any future ones) with you so I'm just gonna stop. Go Wolves.

#16 BrentMpls

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:36 AM

I can tell I'm being trolled, but one last response on this thread...

[quote name='TheLeviathan']I accused no one in this thread of that. I said "many people" which you and Crapps have taken personally. [/QUOTE]

No, what you wrote was:

[quote name='TheLeviathan']All Reusse is saying is that if you want to go that over the top in cr4editing him there were negatives as well. Personally I don't feel he is the end-all, be-all good or bad. Quit hyperventilating over a perfectly valid attack on over-the-top praise.[/QUOTE]

Nobody other than you was claiming that someone or someones were going over the top in cr4editing him. Nobody is saying he is the end-all, be-all.

As far as taking things personally when you say accuse people of "hyperventilating" when you they are trying to understand and respond to your erroneous statements is strange and immature, to say the least.

[quote name='TheLeviathan']I don't think any coach is beyond criticism and all Reusse is doing here is suggesting that there are some things from last year that you cannot put in the "win" column for the Adelman coaching staff. Adelman has not been particularly positive about Williams and is constantly dismissive about the hope that he can play the three. [/QUOTE]

Again, nobody said Adelmen is beyond criticism. You are inflating things with each response. Suggesting that there are some things from last year that you cannot put in the "win" column is not all Reusse is suggesting in that article.

As far as Adelman and Williams relationship/playtime/performance goes, I'll listed my thoughts on that above already.

#17 TheLeviathan

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 11:30 AM

Again, nobody said Adelmen is beyond criticism. You are inflating things with each response. Suggesting that there are some things from last year that you cannot put in the "win" column is not all Reusse is suggesting in that article.


Um, yes it is:

It was such a shock when Rick Adelman, an NBA coach with an outstanding résumé, took the Timberwolves job last summer that there was no need to ask the question, since there was never a whisper of criticism.


And he proceeds to list two things that are not in the "win" column. This isn't that hard to figure out. You can disagree whether or not it's valid that Adelman be held to criticism on this, but that's not what the moron posting this suggested. Nor has it been the way you have skewed what I said.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 11:42 AM

I don't fault Adelman for Johnson but I don't like his handling of Williams thus far. Holding the opinion that he is at fault for both being worthy of "hate" is hyperventilating and stupid.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:41 PM

LOL, on cue with the name calling.

Edited by Fatt Crapps, 21 July 2012 - 01:02 PM.


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Posted 21 July 2012 - 01:34 PM

LOL, on cue with the name calling.


Who would've thought right? I mean you only had a ridiculous title to the thread and acted like a smarmy ass at the suggestion that your opinion was overstated.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 05:31 PM

My opinion that Adelman shouldn't be embarrassed if D-Will doesn't pan out is an overstatement? Dude just stop. And I'm just terribly sorry if I offended any Reusse lovers. You know, the guy who referred to woman's basketball as "syncronized tip-toeing" even though they're 1000x more athletic than his lard ass. I assumed everyone here couldn't stand him (or any local writer).

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 05:45 PM

I'm not a Ruesse fan or hater. He was overstating his point but all opinion writers do this. His general point that Adelman isn't beyond criticism. And his handling of Williams leaves something to be desired so far. I think that's fair game.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:55 PM

Of course nobody is beyond criticism. I have yet to hear anyone give sole credit of the team's success to Adelman, but according to you people have said it. Well those guys are dumb-dumbs I guess. I don't want to fault Adelman much at all for D Will's poor start, he's in a tough spot playing the same position as the best player on the team, and he struggled mightily on D as well as grasping the offense. He had hot streaks at times but for the most part his stats were very weak (low percentages, no assists) His game in college was to dominate smaller, slower players. It's gonna take him a ton of time to adapt to the professional level...I hope he figures it out.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 08:54 PM

Of course nobody is beyond criticism. I have yet to hear anyone give sole credit of the team's success to Adelman, but according to you people have said it. Well those guys are dumb-dumbs I guess.

I don't want to fault Adelman much at all for D Will's poor start, he's in a tough spot playing the same position as the best player on the team, and he struggled mightily on D as well as grasping the offense. He had hot streaks at times but for the most part his stats were very weak (low percentages, no assists) His game in college was to dominate smaller, slower players. It's gonna take him a ton of time to adapt to the professional level...I hope he figures it out.


I know you arent sold on the first part but its true and I agree it is dumb. I dont completly fault Adelman either because last year was odd with the strike, but I dont like the public negativity towards him by Adelman.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:47 PM

My opinion that Adelman shouldn't be embarrassed if D-Will doesn't pan out is an overstatement? Dude just stop.

And I'm just terribly sorry if I offended any Reusse lovers. You know, the guy who referred to woman's basketball as "syncronized tip-toeing" even though they're 1000x more athletic than his lard ass. I assumed everyone here couldn't stand him (or any local writer).


Bad assumption. Reusse's no fan of women's sports, but he especially knows baseball, and a little basketball and football to boot.

He took a little bit of a contrarian stance and instead of praising Adelman suggested that he needs to prove a little by developing Williams and to a lesser extent Johnson. I don't see how that's a big deal.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:41 PM

Bad assumption. Reusse's no fan of women's sports, but he especially knows baseball, and a little basketball and football to boot.

He took a little bit of a contrarian stance and instead of praising Adelman suggested that he needs to prove a little by developing Williams and to a lesser extent Johnson. I don't see how that's a big deal.


Well I'd hope he'd know a little hoops and football considering he's a sportswriter. And for the millionth time, he didn't suggest Adelman needs to prove a little..he said he should be embarrassed if Williams doesn't pan out. And I thought that was stupid. If you don't think so, so be it.

I find it crazy that currently I don't give a damn about the Twins and am sorta excited about the upcoming Wolves season. Intrigued by this new Ruskie, along with the other crackers.

Edited by Fatt Crapps, 21 July 2012 - 10:48 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 10:21 AM

LOL, on cue with the name calling.


Did someone with the user name Fatt Crapps really post this?