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#201 spinowner

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Posted 11 April 2016 - 07:45 PM

 

Slide at the base, and stay on the base, and you will be fine.  There hasn't been one call yet that suggests that isn't true.

 

 

10 pages of this thread could be summed up with these two sentences.You are right, it is not complicated and hasn't yet had a single issue regararding interpretation/judgement.

The entire new rule could be summed up with these two sentences.


#202 Hosken Bombo Disco

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Posted 11 April 2016 - 09:49 PM

 

Stopping catchers from being freight trained didn't ruin the game - it saved injuries.  So will this.  And baseball will continue to be played.

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Posted 11 April 2016 - 09:58 PM

By the way, did everyone see the slide in the 5th that Molitor jumped out to challenge, and then decided better of it? The tamest slide ever. It's really unfortunate that this is the new mentality, that of finger pointing and coaches challenges. Yes, the fans lose when more and more calls on the field are ruled on by replay guys in New York.


#204 TheLeviathan

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Posted 12 April 2016 - 05:43 AM

Did replays really add more time though? Aren't they basically replacing long conferences of the past? In general, I think replay is pretty fast in baseball. Better than the NFL for sure.

#205 gunnarthor

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Posted 12 April 2016 - 11:56 AM

My concerns might have been overstated.  Bautista had a really nice take out slide on Pedroia the other day that didn't get a call.  If that slide is ok, I think we're probably good.  

 

http://m.mlb.com/vid...?game_pk=446942

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#206 spycake

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Posted 12 April 2016 - 12:49 PM

Bautista is a quick learner!  Slid directly at the bag, and grabbed hold of the bag so as not to slide past it.  Well done.

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Posted 12 April 2016 - 01:02 PM

 

I admit you are right about this.

 

The interesting thing about change is something really bad needs to happen first.

 

Posey's injury led to the catcher changes.Kang was not a huge star, but I am guessing he had an out-sized following in Korea.


#208 Hosken Bombo Disco

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Posted 12 April 2016 - 01:48 PM

 

Bautista is a quick learner!  Slid directly at the bag, and grabbed hold of the bag so as not to slide past it.  Well done.

It was a very late slide, but like you said, he did it correctly. 


#209 TheLeviathan

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Posted 12 April 2016 - 02:01 PM

His slide was late, but it was definitely ok.  He slid right at the bag and made no deliberate effort to interfere with the fielder.

 

I'm ok with that slide 100% of the time.  That's what we need to get back to as long as we continue to respect the idea of not hurting the infielder.  Play with that respect and slide like that and the game is better for it.

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#210 gunnarthor

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 12:49 PM

Not unexpected - http://www.fangraphs...new-slide-rule/

 

 

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#211 Mike Sixel

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 01:00 PM

 

 

Ya, I read that too. Unreal.

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#212 spycake

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 01:27 PM

I hope that's not the new trend -- if they start allowing slides to the side and past the base again, it will encourage runners to keep doing them and hope that the umpires don't rule against them under the new additional subjective criteria (did the runner impede the fielder).

 

I thought the rule was actually pretty darn clear when they started the season, but allowing something like that Gose slide really mucks it up.

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 01:29 PM

 

Ya, I read that too. Unreal.

It looks like another example of umpires having different interpretations of the rules.  

 

That Machado slide looked really bad though.

You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.


#214 TheLeviathan

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 02:03 PM

Yeah, this looks more like they need to get on umpires about so much interpretation going on.  The rule is pretty clear as spycake said, if they just enforced what is written there won't be an issue.

 

I expect this just means there will need to be some clarification and better interpretation is all.


#215 gunnarthor

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 02:59 PM

My guess is that this will be stay an in the eye of the beholder thing, like interference running down the first base line or even balls and strikes.  It'll go toward super strict (like we saw in April) and then a loosing of the rules again (now) and continue to teeter-tooter.  My guess is that the players are probably ok with a not quite stringent view as we saw in April but want to avoid the Utley slides.  


#216 TheLeviathan

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 03:53 PM

They just need to adopt the same rule that amatuers play with and move on.  It works brilliantly there and no one is complaining that the heart and soul of baseball is being gutted.