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#1 USAFChief

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:04 PM

MLB has announced new rules for slides into second base in DP situations.

Tough rule to write, but I think it's a good start.

I like the parts about not altering the path to intentionally contact the infielder, being able to AND attempting to contact the bag, and putting the neighborhood play to rest.

Also some tweaks to pace of game.

http://m.mlb.com/new...de-rule-adopted

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:06 PM

I love that it says you don't change your path to deliberately hit the fielder.  


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:12 PM

Just curious, but what is everyone's opinion of the slide that took out Kang?

http://m.mlb.com/video/v485731983
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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:18 PM

 

Just curious, but what is everyone's opinion of the slide that took out Kang?

http://m.mlb.com/video/v485731983

 

If your leg is two feet from the base there is zero reason why it needs to ever be broken.  The sooner baseball stops trying to be faux tough with this garbage the better.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:23 PM

It's about time. And make sure you step on the base with the ball in hand. No more cowardly take out slides. I love it.

Edited by h2oface, 25 February 2016 - 07:25 PM.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:30 PM

Leg Whip.  Dirty.  Love the rule.  And love the end of the "neighborhood"  Always hated that.  Like traveling in NBA.  "These guys are pros, they don't need to  follow the rules of the game"  Crap.  Hold everyone to the standards you would hold a 12 year old to.


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:32 PM

Just curious, but what is everyone's opinion of the slide that took out Kang?
http://m.mlb.com/video/v485731983


I would call the DP on that slide by the new rule. The runner altered his path and didnt contact the ground first.
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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:35 PM

If your leg is two feet from the base there is zero reason why it needs to ever be broken.  The sooner baseball stops trying to be faux tough with this garbage the better.

Not sure I understand your response.

The Utley slide into Tejada seems completely different from the slide into Kang, with the Swisher slide into Nishioka somewhere in the middle.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:45 PM

 

Just curious, but what is everyone's opinion of the slide that took out Kang?

http://m.mlb.com/video/v485731983

 

Good hard slide. Easily able to touch the base. 

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:54 PM

 

Just curious, but what is everyone's opinion of the slide that took out Kang?

http://m.mlb.com/video/v485731983

 

In basketball... that would be a flagrant 2 foul. No intention to really go for the base. The intention was to kick the legs of the player on the fly.  Also, he was already out. Like tackling a player when he is already out of bounds. Cowardly. Good Riddance. Let's play baseball and keep the talent on the field. 

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:06 PM

 

Good hard slide. Easily able to touch the base. 

 

I don't see anything good about it.He was out already.Hard sure.But he should have gotten a hard one on the mouth at next plate appearance.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:09 PM

In basketball... that would be a flagrant 2 foul. No intention to really go for the base. The intention was to dive kick the legs of the player.  Also, he was already out. Like tackling a player when he is already out of bounds. Cowardly. Good Riddance. Let's play baseball and keep the talent on the field.

The rule says (dangerous to paraphrase a written rule, but...) but basically I think the rule says if by completing your slide you can still maintain contact with the bag by hand or foot, then it's a good slide.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:10 PM

Good hard slide. Easily able to touch the base.

this is my opinion too.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:15 PM

 

The rule says (dangerous to paraphrase a written rule, but...) but basically I think the rule says if by completing your slide you can still maintain contact with the bag by hand or foot, then it's a good slide.

 

This, does not apply, if you are out already, as was the case there...

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:15 PM

I don't see anything good about it.He was out already.Hard sure.But he should have gotten a hard one on the mouth at next plate appearance.

I know you take a harder stand against hard slides than most.

I think the new rule is trying to remove context. If there's a throw coming in from left field to the short inside of part of the bag on a player trying to leg out a double, you might see that very same slide that took out Kang. I didn't see anything malicious in the slide that took out Kang and the runner would have been able to maintain contact with the bag. JMO

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:17 PM

This, does not apply, if you are out already, as was the case there...

I think the runner is already into his slide and the play happens a little too fast for the runner to make an adjustment if the ball was to be dropped.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:23 PM

 

The rule says (dangerous to paraphrase a written rule, but...) but basically I think the rule says if by completing your slide you can still maintain contact with the bag by hand or foot, then it's a good slide.

 

Are we just ignoring this last part of the new rule?

".....and not changing his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder."

 

Why else did he do that awkward slide that took him longer to get to the base? Why would anyone throw their legs out there if not to avoid a player with the ball..... instead of make hard contact with him? He changed his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder. He went out of his way to make contact. Pretty simple. 

 

Edited by h2oface, 25 February 2016 - 08:28 PM.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:26 PM

 

I think the runner is already into his slide and the play happens a little too fast for the runner to make an adjustment if the ball was to be dropped.

 

Here is the thing.The rule is messed up.It should say:If you slide with your legs first, the legs better be able to reach the base. 

 

It is silly to think that one would slide legs first with cleats pointing in the fielder and touch base with the trailing hand and have an advantage in getting that base, other than hurting the fielder

 

Simple.

 

 

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 11:02 PM

 

I don't see anything good about it.He was out already.Hard sure.But he should have gotten a hard one on the mouth at next plate appearance.

So basically you are saying the punishment for a violent play is more violence? When does it end then?

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 05:46 AM

I think the runner is already into his slide and the play happens a little too fast for the runner to make an adjustment if the ball was to be dropped.


He was already out and deliberately altered his slide to take the guy out. Kangs leg was broken on a dirty slide and, thankfully, the new rule will enforce that.

He is a good two feet to the side of the base, there is no justification for the runner to hit him.
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