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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:13 AM

In the latest ask BA column, Callis suggests that Buxton would be #21 in baseball, one spot ahead of Sano. He put 7 recent draftees and one international signing in the new top 50.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:25 AM

I notice that four players drafted after Alex Wimmers in the first round of the 2010 draft are ranked higher than Buxton.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:26 AM

And Appel would have been in the top 15 or so for all minor league pitchers.....so he's likely (if not hurt) to be in top of the class next year also (which is also what KLAW has been saying). Everyone loves Buxton....let's hope they are right.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:29 AM

I notice that four players drafted after Alex Wimmers in the first round of the 2010 draft are ranked higher than Buxton.


Yeah, that Wimmers pick hurt. I also regret not taking Trout over Gibson but I still have hope for Gibson. Wasn't a big fan of the Wimmers pick in the first place.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:34 AM

Ouch, didn't notice that on Wimmers....and later picks.....not a fan of low risk picks in round 1, go for upside.....

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:39 PM

Wimmers will hopefully be the last time the Twins take another bullsh*t PTC low-ceiling pitcher again in the first round. God I hated that ****ing pick.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:04 PM

Yeah, that Wimmers pick hurt. I also regret not taking Trout over Gibson but I still have hope for Gibson. Wasn't a big fan of the Wimmers pick in the first place.


Imagine how upset Twins fans would have been if the team had taken Trout over Gibson that year....

And, Wimmers was an easy pick at that time as well, deemed by many experts the starting pitcher closest to the big leagues.

Injuries happen.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:06 PM

Wimmers will hopefully be the last time the Twins take another PTC low-ceiling pitcher again in the first round.


Is a future #3, maybe #2, a low ceiling pitcher?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:14 PM

You think it is likely at all he is a two? That would make him one of the fifty best pitchers in the game. I see super low chance....like almost zero.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:16 PM

Weird, it's like people in this thread are claiming that sometimes high draft picks in baseball don't work out! What a weird sport this is, we certainly know this isn't the case in the NFL, NBA or NHL. Seriously, Whimmers was a solid pick at the time, to go back and play captain hindsight now is stupid. Unless you had a legit gripe at the time like DPJ, but he hates everything the Twins do.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:18 PM

You think it is likely at all he is a two? That would make him one of the fifty best pitchers in the game. I see super low chance....like almost zero.


At the time he was drafted he had the #2 upside, though #3 was prob the far more likely scenario, also when he first hit the scenes in Ft Myers he dominated with 23 strike outs in 15.2 innings.

Nobody could predict that he would get the yips and then get injured (I think these things were actually one in the same at the end of the day)

Pitchers get hurt, it happens.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:22 PM

Is a future #3, maybe #2, a low ceiling pitcher?


Future 3, maybe 2...are you kidding me. Where have the standards gone for pitchers?

Wimmers always had a fingy arsenal of pitches, a has a plus change but that was it. He was a backend starter at best with a low-ceiling but a good probability of hitting it.

But this looks like one first round pick that isn't gonna work out.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:28 PM

Imagine how upset Twins fans would have been if the team had taken Trout over Gibson that year....


Probably

And in the "Twins way" and the way Rantz develops players, Trout would have probably been in New Britain right now...
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:33 PM

Unless you had a legit gripe at the time like DPJ, but he hates everything the Twins do.


Well maybe if the made smarter moves we wouldn't have this garbage 90+ loss team to watch, hell everyone should hate everything the Twins do cause that's what has lead to this 100 million dollar mess.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:36 PM

Probably

And in the "Twins way" and the way Rantz develops players, Trout would have probably been in New Britain right now...



Sadly true.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:38 PM

My opinion of wimmers upside has nothing to dwith his injury. He does not have Scott baker or better stuff not from any scouting report I have read. Maybe I am wrong, but to project someone as a two us to put them at or better than baker when baker is at his best. There just are not that many very good pitchers on the planet right now.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:44 PM

Sadly true.

No way.

Guy that young needs two seasons of short season ball. This would be his "repeating Beloit to learn to hit the ball the other way and move runners over" season.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:45 PM

Imagine how upset Twins fans would have been if the team had taken Trout over Gibson that year....

And, Wimmers was an easy pick at that time as well, deemed by many experts the starting pitcher closest to the big leagues.

Injuries happen.


Good points, I liked the Gibson pick at the time and still do. I just wish we had Trout using 20/20 hindsight.

On Wimmers, I wasn't thrilled with the pick and wanted the Twins to do something else although I didn't know what the something else should be. I remember a lot of angst from fans for the Twins not taking HS pitching arm - Stetson Allie - but I didn't want him either. I understood the logic of the Wimmers pick but just didn't like it.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:48 PM

Well maybe if the made smarter moves we wouldn't have this garbage 90+ loss team to watch, hell everyone should hate everything the Twins do cause that's what has lead to this 100 million dollar mess.


To be fair you were hating on everything they were doing while they were winning 94 games..

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:49 PM

IIRC Gibson was considered a top 5 or top 10 talent who only fell due to injury concerns, if anything it was very un twins to take a risk on a high upside guy like that in the first round.