Article: Gabbin' Grapefruit: Francisco Liriano's Delivery
Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:16 AM
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -- Jim Bouton, "Ball Four"
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Then I start watching him pitch closer and, yes, he drops occasionally. That is problem 1 and accounts for the vertical variance mostly. Problem 2 is that he has been, more than occasionally, changing the side of the rubber he stands on when facing Lefties or Righties. This is why that major horizontal variation. That practice is nuts imho and a pitching coatch should change that. The camera ankle in the Dominican games was awful so I could not see much this winter as far as that goes.
Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:25 AM
Is there any way to get Twins pitching coach Rick Anderson to read this article? Mr. Hageman, your point is very insightful and sure as heck should be considered by the coaching staff.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Apostle. Not sure if Andy needs my questioning but it is curious to me why he would prefer to move forward with getting Liriano to raise his arm angle/release point when he had so much more success with his methods in 2010.
Liriano's release point has always been a mess.Here
is what I wrote about it about 3 seasons ago (the beginning of the '09 season.) If you look at the PitchFx graphs from his performances there (in the linked post
) are eerily similar to these ones.[/QUOTE]
Yes, his release point/arm action has been a knock on him since he was in the Giants organization.
Then I start watching him pitch closer and, yes, he drops occasionally. That is problem 1 and accounts for the vertical variance mostly.[/QUOTE]
He occasionally drops and he occasionally stretches to release more vertically -- as evidenced by the pitch f/x charts. More importantly, watching video of him while he is struggling you see that he rushes through his delivery and overthrows (pulls to the third base side, as both Anderson and Williams said) which causes him to lose command no matter which release point he has.
Problem 2 is that he has been, more than occasionally, changing the side of the rubber he stands on when facing Lefties or Righties. This is why that major horizontal variation. That practice is nuts imho and a pitching coatch should change that.[/QUOTE]
In theory I agree with you. We saw Matt Capps last year suddenly decide to implement shifting spots on the mound depending on if there was a lefty or righty at bat. This was strange because he had never done that before in his career. In Liriano's case, he's been practicing the rubber shifting dating back to at least 2008 (video and pitch f/x quality before then are pretty tired). It was terrible for him in 2009 and 2011 (particularly against righties who hit a combined 34 HRs off of him) but it worked well in 2010. While I would not necessarily encourage the practice, I do not see it as a problem for Liriano.
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