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#1 biggentleben

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:19 PM

I sadly have to post this with my favorite player leaving my favorite team.

 

The Braves traded Andrelton Simmons and Jose Briceno to the Angels for Erick Aybar, Sean Newcomb, Christopher Ellis, and cash.

 

Sucks.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:25 PM

NO WAY

My impression of Simmons was that he was the next Ozzie Smith! What the hell? How do you trade a guy like that?

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:27 PM

 

NO WAY

My impression of Simmons was that he was the next Ozzie Smith! What the hell? How do you trade a guy like that?

 

My point exactly. My favorite player, who happens to wear my favorite number, on my favorite team. Now gone. Damn.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:29 PM

My sincere condolences. Been sad myself since Duensing's release.

Edited by birdwatcher, 12 November 2015 - 08:31 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:40 PM

Sarcasm noted before and after edit, thanks.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:43 PM

I admit I don't know a whole lot about those guys Atlanta got in return. But that feels like a "trade Sano for peanuts" type of deal. Twins fans might question their fandom after something like that.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:44 PM

 

I admit I don't know a whole lot about those guys Atlanta got in return. But that feels like a "trade Sano for peanuts" type of deal. Twins fans might question their fandom after something like that.

 

Newcomb is akin to Berrios in prospect rankings, so he's very well regarded, but the Braves already have a large amount of pitching prospects after last offseason's overhaul.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:47 PM

 

NO WAY

My impression of Simmons was that he was the next Ozzie Smith! What the hell? How do you trade a guy like that?

Looks like they're in full rebuild mode. Personally I think it's the right move for them. Probably hoping to be back in contention when they get that new ballpark. Angels will be looking pretty tough next year.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:50 PM

Does Atlanta have some other shortstops in the system? Aybar has got to be in his 30s (which obviously is not a deal killer for a glove-first position, but still.) Andrelton Simmons seemed like one of those irreplaceable guys.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:52 PM

 

I sadly have to post this with my favorite player leaving my favorite team.

 

The Braves traded Andrelton Simmons and Jose Briceno to the Angels for Erick Aybar, Sean Newcomb, Christopher Ellis, and cash.

 

Sucks.

i'll tell you this. you're gonna enjoy Sean Newcomb more than you ever did Andrelton! he's the real deal. Akbar can at least hit

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:02 PM

 

Looks like they're in full rebuild mode. Personally I think it's the right move for them. Probably hoping to be back in contention when they get that new ballpark. Angels will be looking pretty tough next year.

 

No, no way they can compete in 2017 without spending some major money.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:05 PM

 

Does Atlanta have some other shortstops in the system? Aybar has got to be in his 30s (which obviously is not a deal killer for a glove-first position, but still.) Andrelton Simmons seemed like one of those irreplaceable guys.

 

Aybar's a one-year rental. The Braves' top prospect is Ozzie Albies, another player from Curacao who is only 19, but he would have finished the year at high-A if not for an injury, and he's absolutely the real deal. Defense just barely a tick below Simmons (though not the arm, though I don't know if anyone has ever had his arm at the position), and offensively a much different profile, but good OBP/speed guy with gap power right now.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:06 PM

 

i'll tell you this. you're gonna enjoy Sean Newcomb more than you ever did Andrelton! he's the real deal. Akbar can at least hit

 

Andrelton had a higher OBP in 2015, nevermind the worlds better defense.

 

And no, I doubt I'll enjoy any pitcher as much as I enjoy an everyday once-in-a-century shortstop every day.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:10 PM

 

Andrelton had a higher OBP in 2015, nevermind the worlds better defense.

 

And no, I doubt I'll enjoy any pitcher as much as I enjoy an everyday once-in-a-century shortstop every day.

simmons hitting was horrible, please look at Newcomb's resume before you decide that


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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:13 PM

 

No, no way they can compete in 2017 without spending some major money.

 

Umm. Maybe the ballpark will take longer? You're right of course. They have some bad contracts to deal with. I do like their pitching prospects.


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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:15 PM

Great move by the GM. replace simmons with someone who can hit better yet plays pretty good D. while getting a future Ace


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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:23 PM

 

simmons hitting was horrible, please look at Newcomb's resume before you decide that

 

I've seen Newcomb pitch before.

 

Simmons had solid bat control, but he struggled to make great contact when he put the ball in play. He very seldom struck out and had a better OBP than Aybar last season. Definitely a better fit for the lineup the Braves were putting together. Please do not try to tell me what I have seen and have not seen with the team I not only follow, but cover and write about.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:26 PM

 

Umm. Maybe the ballpark will take longer? You're right of course. They have some bad contracts to deal with. I do like their pitching prospects.

 

Nah, the contracts aren't the issue. They'll be rid of basically anything but Freeman and Markakis after 2016. The ballpark will be opening in 2017. They're even wearing a patch next year to commemorate the last season at the Ted. The pitching is very solid at the AA/AAA level, but the stud hitters they got into the system were all from low-A on down last year, so they're likely 2-3 years away at the soonest.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:33 PM

 

Great move by the GM. replace simmons with someone who can hit better yet plays pretty good D. while getting a future Ace

 

Newcomb will rank at the top of the Braves pitching list, but there are a half dozen "future ace" types already in the system. They certainly didn't need to acquire one.

 

Also, you keep making this hitting point. I do not think hitting means what you think it does:

 

Aybar over the last three years: .273/.308/.366, 92 OPS+, 1.5 TOTAL defensive bWAR

Simmons over the same time: .252/.301/.357, 84 OPS+, 12.4 total defensive bWAR (worse single season was 3.5)

 

Aybar had an OBP 20 points lower than Simmons last season.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:43 PM

you had 0 future Aces. now you have 1