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#1 Curt

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:43 AM

Cuddyer still likes Coors Field and Kubel likes Chase Field (I think those are the current names) even better. Neither is tearing it up on the road.

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#2 greengoblinrulz

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:22 AM

those numbers show why it was a great decision to let them go

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:32 AM

Those numbers prove nottin and if the Twins would have kept just one of them they would be a 500 team right now. Letting them go and get nottin is not great.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:41 AM

Got JO Berrios, Luke Bard & JT Chargois.....wouldnt say they got nothing. Saying one of those is worth 10-12 game difference if pretty funny. If they woulda kept one of those, then Ben Revere doesnt play....& then we have the worst defensive corner OF in majors. Great decision to let 2 overrated/whiny players go & start rebuilding.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:44 AM

The Twins got draft picks for them. I think we are better off with Willingham and Revere and this gives some salary flexibility for pitching. I think letting them go was the correct move

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:02 AM

Absolutely it was the correct move to let them go... and I hope they both have great careers elsewhere, both are great people and very good ball players.

#7 greengoblinrulz

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:27 AM

Kubel season is due to his finally bein able to hit lefties .287/.346/.468 in 94ABs vs a career average of .239/.312/.365 with Twins Coincidence that he finally left MN & Joe Vavra???

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:31 AM

Those numbers prove nottin and if the Twins would have kept just one of them they would be a 500 team right now. Letting them go and get nottin is not great.


I didn't realize they were starting pitchers.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:20 PM

Got JO Berrios, Luke Bard & JT Chargois.....wouldnt say they got nothing.


And likely don't sign Willingham/Doumit (one, the other, or both) if they kept them.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:22 PM

I didn't realize they were starting pitchers.


Cuddyer's career ERA is 0.00. A move from the bullpen to starting would make perfect sense.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:31 PM

Cuddyer's career ERA is 0.00. A move from the bullpen to starting would make perfect sense.


I think his secondary stuff comes up a little short for the rotation. :P

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:37 PM

And likely don't sign Willingham/Doumit (one, the other, or both) if they kept them.


also time to start changing the culture/attitude here.
Couldnt stand hearing those 2 bitch/moan about not being able to hit in Target Field. Man up. Other dont have a problem there.
Plouffe .633 home slugging
Willingham .601
Span .503
Doumit .460
Mauer .444 vs .406 in 10-.350 in 11

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:46 PM

How many games did Thomas, Konatsu, Parmelee, Valencia, Hughes, Burroughs ect, win for you? How many more losses and years before your draft picks develop and will they. I believe in winning now the hell with tomorrow.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:55 PM

I think his secondary stuff comes up a little short for the rotation. :P


You overlook his legendary sleight-of-hand pitch.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 01:04 PM

Remember how TRyan was NOT sold on Revere...wonder where he stands now. That cost us signing Komatsu/Thomas....tho Bens time in AAA with Bruno turned his swing around (thanks Joe Vavra). Dont know how many people forget Ryan Doumit was our opening day RF. It took forever for TRyan/Gardy to get an idea of what this everyday lineup should be....for the most part (not perfect by any means). Gardy had Kubel/Cuddy hangover also.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 01:12 PM

No doubt Willy & Doumit were good signs, wasn't much for free agent SP out there, Buehrle, Wilson, Jackson, Kuroda was about it.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:21 PM

No doubt Willy & Doumit were good signs, wasn't much for free agent SP out there, Buehrle, Wilson, Jackson, Kuroda was about it.


Hard to see where pitchers with the following lines would benefit the Twins:
3.25 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 4.13 k/bb
2.43 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 7.1 k/9
3.73 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 2.53 k/bb
3.50 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 2.59 k/bb
2.62 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 8.0 k/9
4.05 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 3.41 k/bb
3.51 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, 7.0 k/9
3.69 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 6.9 k/9
3.44 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 2.52 k/bb
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:05 PM

Straight up comparison before Saturday's games: Kubel/Cuddyer - .278/.345/.504 .849 OPS Doumit/Hammer - .274/.352/.501 .853 OPS Same production, plus draft choices. Good call by good guys (Twins) on that front.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:41 AM

Where's the chart that factors in Cuddyer's veteran presence and his ability to keep people loose by doing illusions???

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:44 AM

Where's the chart that factors in Cuddyer's veteran presence and his ability to keep people loose by doing illusions???


Charts are Dave's area of expertise.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:04 AM

Yes, maybe would've been best to kept one, like Cuddyer...but there was no hometown discount and except that he could've fit into the 1st/3rd/2nd/DH/OF mix...well, offensively Ryan did good on the free agent market with Doumit (better to have a DH/back up catcher than a DH/sluggish outfielder). It allows Revere to shine. But maybe have a weakness if we lose Span. All dictated by salary. If Cuddyer and Kubel would sign for what Doumit and Willingham did, then we'd still have them. If we have a gripe, it was that Ryan played lowball in the back-up starter department, not going after a semi-first liner, and then also offering some bucks in Minors/majors splits to some hasbeen (Marquis, one, Francis another). It is better to have too many 1-2 starts than too many 3-5 starts, in reality.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:06 AM

Cuddyer is still my favorite all-time player. Performance on the field trumps everything else and it was good for the Twins to let him go. Willingham has been more than a replacement--he is a true cleanup hitter.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:58 AM

I was hoping the Twins would sign Kubel but I think he wanted out. He was a much better bargain than Cuddyer (maybe even better, straight up). Three years younger and cheaper, 2 years for $16M (or three for $22.5M) versus Cuddyer's 3 year $31.5M deal. Willingham, Revere and Doumit, as replacements, have worked out well (as much as anything can be said to have worked out well for a last place team).

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:04 AM

Where's the chart that factors in Cuddyer's veteran presence and his ability to keep people loose by doing illusions???


Cuddyer's illusions have been replaced and maybe even exceeded by Willingham's allusions. The guy is like Dennis Miller and never gets credit for it.