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#21 Vanimal46

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 01:44 PM

So if ROR gets the job done as a lefty in our bullpen, does that finally mean the end of Duensing? (crossing fingers that the answer is yes!)


#22 Seth Stohs

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 01:58 PM

 

And, the Cardinals would have him in the pen this year, and starting next year. I don't get why the Twins can't follow that path. I'd think Berrios is your #5 next year......

 

We don't know that. That's a big assumption.

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#23 Mike Sixel

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 02:21 PM

 

We don't know that. That's a big assumption.

 

True. They have done it in the past, my point was.....putting him in the bullpen this year means nothing for his long term future. Except maybe he has a chance to make the bigs sooner......It doesn't ruin him. It doesn't doom him to the bullpen forever.

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It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


#24 Cap'n Piranha

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 02:29 PM

 

True. They have done it in the past, my point was.....putting him in the bullpen this year means nothing for his long term future. Except maybe he has a chance to make the bigs sooner......It doesn't ruin him. It doesn't doom him to the bullpen forever.

 

I think Seth was saying a lot would have to happen to make Berrios the #5.  For contractual reasons, Hughes, Santana, and Nolasco aren't going anywhere.  Gibson and May have had success in the bigs.  That's 5 right there, without even bringing up Milone.

 

Furthermore, Berrios has 2 starts at the AAA level, and while I fully believe he'll be better long-term than Duffey, Duffey was solid in AAA last year, and even better this year--he's earned a shot, and should get that shot before Berrios at this point.  If JO picks it up, and Duffey stumbles, switch that, but right now Duffey is ahead, IMO.


#25 Mike Sixel

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 02:37 PM

Five, compared to Rogers ever being 5.........what are the odds Rogers is ahead of him for more than a start here and there? As you point out, Rogers is behind A LOT of people, not counting Berrios and Stewart and Hu and Gonsalves.......

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 02:38 PM

 

I think Seth was saying a lot would have to happen to make Berrios the #5.  For contractual reasons, Hughes, Santana, and Nolasco aren't going anywhere.  Gibson and May have had success in the bigs.  That's 5 right there, without even bringing up Milone.

 

Furthermore, Berrios has 2 starts at the AAA level, and while I fully believe he'll be better long-term than Duffey, Duffey was solid in AAA last year, and even better this year--he's earned a shot, and should get that shot before Berrios at this point.  If JO picks it up, and Duffey stumbles, switch that, but right now Duffey is ahead, IMO.

The original context was someone else suggesting Rogers needs to continue starting because he's our #5 next year.  Berrios was just an example of another option, but your post listed many more options.

 

And of course Rogers can return to starting next year if necessary.

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 02:58 PM

 

So if ROR gets the job done as a lefty in our bullpen, does that finally mean the end of Duensing? (crossing fingers that the answer is yes!)

 

I would say it means the end of Thompson, especially for this season.  Now if ROR gets the job done and they trade for a guy such as Cotts from Milwaukee.......I would see no reason that Duensing would have job then.


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 03:02 PM

Its not KC but I am not as discouraged as most.  4 innings shut out ball last night to win it. In KC Pelfrey gave up 3 in 4 innings and the pen held for 5 scoreless.Unless you are KC you will give up some runs and from my viewpoint a lot of the relief runs given up are when the game was getting away from them anyway. I have confidence in Boyer, Fien, Perkins, Graham and now May.Not big on a one out specialist but Oliveros and Rodgers are intriguing.  

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#29 Cap'n Piranha

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 03:05 PM

 

The original context was someone else suggesting Rogers needs to continue starting because he's our #5 next year.  Berrios was just an example of another option, but your post listed many more options.

 

And of course Rogers can return to starting next year if necessary.

 

Nowhere in this thread has anyone suggested that Rogers is our #5 next year.  I suggested that Duffey should be the #5 if Pelfrey isn't brought back and some other pitcher is traded, and another poster said that Duffey and maybe Rogers are better than our past 5's, as in, Taylor Rogers is maybe better than Yohan Pino, Kris Johnson, etc.

 

If Taylor Rogers is our #5 starter next year, he either found a completely different gear, or a lot of things have gone terribly awry.

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#30 Seth Stohs

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 03:55 PM

I don't think we should minimize Rogers' potential as a starter and I would certainly keep him starting after this year. I think he can be a solid big league starter (4/5 type), especially if he can make some adjustment vs RHB. My thing about be if the Twins are in contention and he's deemed a guy that can help the big league club out of the bullpen, I'd be all for it. 

 

Same with Duffey. 


#31 spycake

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 04:41 PM

Nowhere in this thread has anyone suggested that Rogers is our #5 next year. I suggested that Duffey should be the #5 if Pelfrey isn't brought back and some other pitcher is traded, and another poster said that Duffey and maybe Rogers are better than our past 5's, as in, Taylor Rogers is maybe better than Yohan Pino, Kris Johnson, etc.

If Taylor Rogers is our #5 starter next year, he either found a completely different gear, or a lot of things have gone terribly awry.


My bad, it was from another reliever-related thread...

#32 Cap'n Piranha

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 04:42 PM

 

My bad, it was from another reliever-related thread...

 

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#33 Cap'n Piranha

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 04:49 PM

 

I don't think we should minimize Rogers' potential as a starter and I would certainly keep him starting after this year. I think he can be a solid big league starter (4/5 type), especially if he can make some adjustment vs RHB. My thing about be if the Twins are in contention and he's deemed a guy that can help the big league club out of the bullpen, I'd be all for it. 

 

Same with Duffey. 

 

I think Roger's could be an ok #5 too, but that shouldn't be something the Twins need any time soon.  Barring trades, collapses in other pitcher's abilities, or Rogers kicking it into a higher gear, he won't get above 7 or 8 on the SP depth chart.  By the time Nolasco/Hughes/Santana are off the books, Berrios/Hu/Gonsalves should be ready.  By the time Gibson and May have gotten too expensive, guys like Batts/Stewart/Thorpe/Jorge/Rosario will hopefully be ready.

 

Any/all of those guys could completely fall apart, but Rogers will need at least 3 or 4 of those guys to fall in value to get to a point where he's any more than a spot starter/AAAA pitching depth.  That being said, I think he'd be a great LOOGY, with the chance to add some velocity and become a late inning guy.  I think that's where he'll provide the most value to the Twins.

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 09:49 PM

 

 

I'd prefer Rogers up, as a LOOGY who can also get out right handers.

 

That's not a LOOGY, that is just a reliever. ;)

 

In all seriousness though, I am all for trying anything that relieves Duensing of his position in the BP. Rogers splits show he is unlikely to be an effective starter in the big leagues so it is worth a shot as a lefty specialist in the BP, but don't think we should force in a lefty. If our best option is a righty then that is who we should bring up.


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Posted 08 July 2015 - 08:15 AM

Another name I think we might be overlooking is Brandon Peterson.I'm not sure if the Twins would promote him from AA but he has be absolutely dominate.It might be a year early for him, but he has out-performed many of the notable prospects. 


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 08:25 AM

If, as many had suggested, The Twins would have given some of these younger guys a chance earlier in the season, they might not be in this predicament. I truly believe the Twins have more than enough talent at ML and AAA to put together a very good pen without the need of outside help but they just haven't gone about it in a very smart manner. They seem as an organization to be too enamored with veterans to have ever fully accepted their fate as a rebuilding team and thus, a lot of guys have gotten stuck at AAA too long. Why not give guys like Tonkin, Oliveros, Achter etc a shot before they lose their mental edge and become AAAA fodder?

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 09:27 AM

If, as many had suggested, The Twins would have given some of these younger guys a chance earlier in the season, they might not be in this predicament. I truly believe the Twins have more than enough talent at ML and AAA to put together a very good pen without the need of outside help but they just haven't gone about it in a very smart manner. They seem as an organization to be too enamored with veterans to have ever fully accepted their fate as a rebuilding team and thus, a lot of guys have gotten stuck at AAA too long. Why not give guys like Tonkin, Oliveros, Achter etc a shot before they lose their mental edge and become AAAA fodder?


By "predicament" do you mean not in playoff contention?

Winning games is really screwing up the rebuild.
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