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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:20 PM

From http://www.cbssports...than-willingham

Twins want a young starter in return. Heyman mentions Nationals, Marlins and possibly the Yankees as potential partners. He says if the Twins don't get the offer they want, they'd hang onto Span.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:23 PM

I would sure hope so. Span should require a pretty nice prospect in return because the Twins have all the leverage in this scenario.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

I would sure hope so. Span should require a pretty nice prospect in return because the Twins have all the leverage in this scenario.


They need to get a major league pitcher or a major league ready pitcher (solid #2) in return. Can't be giving up Span for a guy 3 years away from the majors.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:34 PM

They need to get a major league pitcher or a major league ready pitcher (solid #2) in return. Can't be giving up Span for a guy 3 years away from the majors.


Unless that guy is Dylan Bundy.....

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:43 PM

Unless that guy is Dylan Bundy.....


Except it won't be Bundy or even close to a Bundy type guy..

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:54 PM

The Giants gave up Wheeler a possible top of the rotation guy for 2 months of Betran last summer. Span for 2 months plus 2 years at a decent rate should be worth a top B+, A- prospect (I wouldn't take less). He may not have the impact bat that Beltran does but you get him for cheap and he should hold his value down the road if you need to move him. NO RELIEF pitchers!

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:24 PM

The Giants gave up Wheeler a possible top of the rotation guy for 2 months of Betran last summer. Span for 2 months plus 2 years at a decent rate should be worth a top B+, A- prospect (I wouldn't take less). He may not have the impact bat that Beltran does but you get him for cheap and he should hold his value down the road if you need to move him. NO RELIEF pitchers!


I would be very surprised if the return was a top 50 prospect. Perhaps a top 100 guy, but more likely a guy in that 100-200 range would be the headliner for Span. Span and Beltran are two very different classes of player on the offensive end, and that's where the primary prospect value was driven. The Giants also got two draft picks out of the deal as well, which has some value. Wheeler was not a top 50 prospect coming into 2011, so even Beltran didn't warrant a top 50 guy.
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:28 PM

I would be very surprised if the return was a top 50 prospect. Perhaps a top 100 guy, but more likely a guy in that 100-200 range would be the headliner for Span. Span and Beltran are two very different classes of player on the offensive end, and that's where the primary prospect value was driven. The Giants also got two draft picks out of the deal as well, which has some value. Wheeler was not a top 50 prospect coming into 2011, so even Beltran didn't warrant a top 50 guy.

Span is certainly worth more than a top 100 guy and worlds more than a 100-200 guy.

Yes Span isn't the hitter Beltran is, but he is an affordable CF leadoff guy who you can pencil into the spot for the next 3+ years.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 05:29 PM

From http://www.cbssports...than-willingham

Twins want a young starter in return. Heyman mentions Nationals, Marlins and possibly the Yankees as potential partners. He says if the Twins don't get the offer they want, they'd hang onto Span.

You know how I can tell Heyman knows baseball? The way he holds the bat in his photo on the blog.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 05:45 PM

In a perfect world you would trade Span for a Gio Gonzalez type pitcher. If that is actually available on the market at this point.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:10 PM

I don't know why all the rush for a league ready pitcher. Wouldn't it be smarter to get a very nice prospect that is 2 or 3 years out instead of a league ready 3 spot guy that will waste his first 2 or 3 years throwing on a noncontending team? There is more risk that way but I believe our potential depth at both leadoff and OF justify it. We aren't EVER getting past the yankees in the first round if we don't figure out some way to get some true top of the rotation talent.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:11 PM

Span is a dime a dozen. He's a good, not great CF that doesn't get on base, hits for no power, and no longer steals bases. If I was an opposing GM I would not be giving up anything considered valuable for him.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:56 PM

Span is a dime a dozen. He's a good, not great CF that doesn't get on base, hits for no power, and no longer steals bases.

If I was an opposing GM I would not be giving up anything considered valuable for him.


He's a very good defensive CF who is one of the better lead off men in baseball, his career OBP is .358 so he gets on base plenty and adds some decent pop as well (4 away from hitting his career best in 2B in a season). 104 Career OPS+ with playing a premium position and being signed to a team friendly contract gives him plenty of value. As far as the SB comment goes, he is on pace to swipe 16-18 and I wonder with a more aggressive manager if he couldn't give you SB a year agian.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:57 PM

I don't know why all the rush for a league ready pitcher. Wouldn't it be smarter to get a very nice prospect that is 2 or 3 years out instead of a league ready 3 spot guy that will waste his first 2 or 3 years throwing on a noncontending team? There is more risk that way but I believe our potential depth at both leadoff and OF justify it. We aren't EVER getting past the yankees in the first round if we don't figure out some way to get some true top of the rotation talent.


Yeah its a good argument, honestly you prob just take the best arm available, but I would feel alot better if said pitcher was less than 1 year away from the majors as every top pitching prospect has had some bad luck in the Twins system the past 4-5 years. Guerra, Gibson, Whimmers, Hunt,etc

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:59 PM

They need to get a major league pitcher or a major league ready pitcher (solid #2) in return. Can't be giving up Span for a guy 3 years away from the majors.



Absolutely! but why would the Skanks want Span??? would they use Grand strictly as DH?? and I guess they would drop him in the order and take adv of his power and more RBI opps then Span could bat leadoff but what do they have to offer?? Seems like they make out better in these trades then not.. I know gardner is hurt so that may be a concern if he's coming back.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 07:01 PM

Span is a dime a dozen. He's a good, not great CF that doesn't get on base, hits for no power, and no longer steals bases.

If I was an opposing GM I would not be giving up anything considered valuable for him.




??? explain! good thing your not.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 07:54 PM

No GM may want to give up something of value for Span, but to get him, they are going to have to. He has his flaws, no doubt, but contrary to what some around here think, he's going to be expensive, as he will be in demband. I'd hope they get a AA front line pitcher personally, and possibly another higher ceiling guy in the low minors. This is one area where I do trust Terry Ryan, and the idea of him being the guy pulling trigger on potential Span, Willingham, and Liriano trades makes me happy.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 07:54 PM

Sellers market... Nearly everyone is in contention.... It'll be a good year to be out of contention. Sellers: CF type or lead off potential. Houston... Altuve... Not going anywhere. Schaefer... Span is clearly better at this point. Cubs... DeJesus Not a leadoff guy... Nor a CF... Even though he is holding down both. Rockies... Fowler... Span has been more consistent over his career. Fowler has always been a big potential guy but Contending teams want Production now... Not the hope of production. Fowler has been coming around but Span is the better of the two... right? Now if the Rockies decide to move Cargo... Look out but he still not a leadoff guy. Padres... Maybin or Denorfia or Venable. None are in Spans neighborhood. Oakland... Crisp... Leadoff CF... Do you like Crisp over Span? Seattle... Ichiro... Could be a leadoff but he's old and well compensated. Stats on the decline. Might be locked into Seattle forever. Everyone else is around buyer territory. Looks like a great supply and demand market.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:19 PM

Sellers market... Nearly everyone is in contention.... It'll be a good year to be out of contention.

Sellers: CF type or lead off potential.

Houston... Altuve... Not going anywhere. Schaefer... Span is clearly better at this point.

Cubs... DeJesus Not a leadoff guy... Nor a CF... Even though he is holding down both.

Rockies... Fowler... Span has been more consistent over his career. Fowler has always been a big potential guy but Contending teams want Production now... Not the hope of production. Fowler has been coming around but Span is the better of the two... right? Now if the Rockies decide to move Cargo... Look out but he still not a leadoff guy.

Padres... Maybin or Denorfia or Venable. None are in Spans neighborhood.

Oakland... Crisp... Leadoff CF... Do you like Crisp over Span?

Seattle... Ichiro... Could be a leadoff but he's old and well compensated. Stats on the decline. Might be locked into Seattle forever.

Everyone else is around buyer territory. Looks like a great supply and demand market.


Excellent analysis, Brian. A bidding war between contending teams would produce the best value,

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:33 PM

Doing a quick search the one pitching prospect for the Marlins worth anything is Jose Hernandez and no way they give him up for Denard Span.