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#1 one_eyed_jack

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:55 PM

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I've seen some bad ones, but man oh man, this one is tough to beat for umpire incompetence.

How does Dimuro call an out there without asking to see the ball?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:00 PM

This is an outrage. Umps have been horrible this season especially. Is it also just a coincidence that another blown call helps the Yankees. And then the ump throws out a player just because the player calls him on that bull. Amazing.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:01 PM

I love seeing plays like this. The more of them there are, the greater the push for replay will be.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:05 PM

I love seeing plays like this. The more of them there are, the greater the push for replay will be.


---Amen to that.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:02 AM

Is it really any worse of a call than Napoli tagging out two Yankees not standing on the base and one being ruled safe?

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:08 AM

I love seeing plays like this. The more of them there are, the greater the push for replay will be.


Great, let's go to 4-hour average length games, because 3:15 isn't long enough. Improve the umpiring by breaking the collective arrogance of the umps, so fully on display by this jerk, Dimuro. Isn't that nice-guy Jack Hanahan he throws out there?

One solution is a seperate video ump, with complete overrule authority, no special ump visitation conferences under the stands, a 60 second time limit on any overrule. The other is to speed up the time between pitches, to offeset the replay time.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:44 AM

1. This call isn't even in the top 100 of bad calls, in my lifetime. Sadly.

2. I really don't think umpiring is any worse now than it's been. It's just that with virtually every MLB game televised now, usually with mulitple HD cameras catching every play from multiple angles, we usually know in under a minute when a call is missed. We didn't used to get all those views. Most missed calls went largely unnoticed. Umpiring is hard. The game is fast. Calls have always been missed. Why do we expect humans to be perfect in calling plays that happen once, in real time, and are often really, really close?

3. But we don't have to live with most of the bad calls. There is no excuse for MLB not to institute a rational, reasonable, intelligently designed replay system. See item number 2 above...we already HAVE replay. The only people not using replay are the ones who could most benefit from it...MLB and the umpires. We almost always know, often with 100 percent certainty, when calls are blown, and we often know it before the next pitch is thrown. Put a 5th ump in a booth, with access to all video feeds, and a way to replay his own looks whenever he feels the need. He could notify the crew chief when he's reviewing a play, and in many cases there would be NO delay, with a decision made before the next pitch is thrown. Smart men should be able to put together a reasonable way to enact this in a week or less. I'm pretty old-school, but clinging to a system that could be improved, easily, just for the sake of clinging to it is stupid. Replay isn't going to get everything right, but so what? If it overturns even one bad call like this one, it's better than what's in place now.

Edited by USAFChief, 27 June 2012 - 12:47 AM.


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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:20 AM

How about some accountability to the outfielder selling this call. A 3 game suspension would send a message that you don't show up and ump by pulling that crap. I get it you try it if it might work in your favor but this one is pathetic granted the fan with the extra ball had a lot to do with it.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:24 AM

On instant replay that one should be able to be corrected before the next batter enters the batters box, as could have the review of Spans non homerun last night with a press box ump who reviews every play. It's not like the NFL where you have to look at 3 different things on every play and then after that get the spot and clock right.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:28 AM

I saw somewhere last night that was comparing it to the blown call on the Mauer double in the playoffs at Yankee Stadium.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:40 AM

If home runs can be reviewed, there's no reason that catches in foul territory can't be. There's no issue of placement of baserunners on a call like this. It's not the worst call ever, though. I've seen plenty that are just as bad.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:43 AM

That call wasn't nearly as bad as the Mauer call in the playoffs. At least the umpire had the excuse that fans were obscuring his view whereas only sheer idiocy and blindness was involved with the Mauer double-that-never-was. Plus, Mauer's "double" was during the playoffs when MLB puts extra umpires on the field to make sure stuff like that never happens.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:43 AM

This is a very bad call, no question, but I think this one is the worst of 2012 so far. http://sports.yahoo....-235447642.html

I also seem to remember last season a horrific call that went against the Pirates and may have led to their demise: http://www.usatoday....lown-call_n.htm

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:53 AM

As a life long Twins fan and life long "Yankee Hater" this video makes me livid... Really? The umpire can't see the bozo in the red shirt raising his right hand in the air holding the baseball?! I thought I finally got over the blown call on Mauer's double a couple years ago, but how in the hell do you explain this mistake? It's bad enough they have one of the highest payrolls in the league, and can basically buy any talent they want/need. Now we have to start seeing umpires favoring their players when making calls?! NOT COOL.....

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:14 AM

Stuff like this is why the it evens out in the end argument will never work for me. The Yankees will get this sort of call 9 times for every 1 time it goes against them simply based on the theory that in the back of everyones mind it's all about the money if not in the front of there mind.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:17 AM

What makes that call REALLY bad is that the outfielder doesn't have the ball in his glove. He never shows the ball. That is the first thing the ump should have checked. I do not advocate replay use during the game (I do advocate it in evaluating umpires) and, pretty clearly in this case, replay was not necessary. If the ump had done his job and verified the fielder had the ball, that would be one thing (not necessarily enough to make the "out" call) but he did not. Bad bad bad bad bad!

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:20 AM

Just imagine how bad umpiring was when games were not televised. Now what we get are mostly mistakes. Without the accountability of replays, the worst calls would have been those made for retribution.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:21 AM

Great, let's go to 4-hour average length games, because 3:15 isn't long enough. Improve the umpiring by breaking the collective arrogance of the umps, so fully on display by this jerk, Dimuro. Isn't that nice-guy Jack Hanahan he throws out there?

One solution is a seperate video ump, with complete overrule authority, no special ump visitation conferences under the stands, a 60 second time limit on any overrule. The other is to speed up the time between pitches, to offeset the replay time.

the game would speed up 20% if velcro was banned

#19 Curt

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:16 AM

the game would speed up 20% if velcro was banned


Brilliant!

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:37 AM

What makes that call REALLY bad is that the outfielder doesn't have the ball in his glove. He never shows the ball. That is the first thing the ump should have checked. I do not advocate replay use during the game (I do advocate it in evaluating umpires) and, pretty clearly in this case, replay was not necessary. If the ump had done his job and verified the fielder had the ball, that would be one thing (not necessarily enough to make the "out" call) but he did not. Bad bad bad bad bad!


I don't understand those who can watch this and then say "I don't advocate replay." I guess you have no complaint about this play then. Pretty clearly in this case, replay was necessary. And it could have corrected this mistake in seconds.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:43 AM

I don't understand those who can watch this and then say "I don't advocate replay." I guess you have no complaint about this play then. Pretty clearly in this case, replay was necessary. And it could have corrected this mistake in seconds.


I believe I was pretty clear that this call didn't need replay. The umpire never asked to see the ball. If he had, he would have made the correct call. I understand why people want replay. I believe umpiring can be improved vastly by using replay to train/improve umpiring. I do not like interrupting the game and increasing their length at all. I prefer the combination of improved performance by human umpires and shorter (at least not longer) games.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:37 PM

I originally thought the fan near Wise gave him another ball, checking to see if he has the ball is a clear indication the ump was unable to see the play to it's conclusion. Seems like the 15 seconds it would take for everyone to get back in position would be enough time to confirm a call if we already know the on-field call is nothing more then a guess. If the ump would have checked the glove he wouldn't have got this call wrong, but if there simply using things to improve there guess then use things that are closer to 100%.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 01:08 PM

I believe I was pretty clear that this call didn't need replay. The umpire never asked to see the ball. If he had, he would have made the correct call. I understand why people want replay. I believe umpiring can be improved vastly by using replay to train/improve umpiring. I do not like interrupting the game and increasing their length at all. I prefer the combination of improved performance by human umpires and shorter (at least not longer) games.


So he got the call wrong, and replay would have easily corrected that, but this play didn't need replay. Brilliant!

They already do use pitch/fx and replay to "improve" umpiring. Umpires get feedback regularly. The problem isn't that umpires are really bad, the problem is umpiring is hard. Simply mandating they be better has no chance of fixing the problem.

And for the record, in this particular case, replay would have shortened the game. All the time spent arguing, and a player getting tossed, would have been avoided.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 01:46 PM

Not even close to one of the worst calls ever. Awful? yes. Continues to demonstrate why replay is important? yes.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 04:27 PM

No this wasn't the worst call ever. It's not like it decided the game, and there have been much more egregious misjudgments, such as the one in Colorado mentioned earler where Welkie called the runner out even though you could have driven a Greyhound bus through the gap between where Helton caught the ball and the bag.

It wasn't so much the call itself as everything surrounding it. First, that he didn't ask to see the ball is inexplicable, inexcusable and incompetent. Second, the way he ejected Hanrahan was bizarre:

Hannahan said the expressing of that opinion, without swearing, was what got him tossed, an account DiMuro pretty much confirmed. "He and I got into a discussion about the play,'' DiMuro said. "He told me to reference the tape replay, and that is why I ejected him.''

So while the call wasn't the worst ever, DiMuro's handling of this whole thing may be one of the worst pieces of umpiring I've seen in a while.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 04:49 PM

Improve the umpiring by breaking the collective arrogance of the umps, so fully on display by this jerk, Dimuro.




I really don't think umpiring is any worse now than it's been. It's just that with virtually every MLB game televised now, usually with mulitple HD cameras catching every play from multiple angles, we usually know in under a minute when a call is missed.


---Agreed on both of these points. I'm with Chief on umpiring not being any worse now at least in terms of accuracy of calls. However, thanks to the arrogance noted by jokin, I think umpires have gotten worse in terms of situational handling of the game. There are just too many of these guys who act like they're God's gift to baseball and believe that the people in the stands spend their paychecks to watch them call games.

They are too often thin skinned about getting being questioned about their calls, and needlessly confrontational with players and managers. From Bob Davidson - recently suspended 1 game for "repeated violations of the Office of the Commissioner's standards for situation handling" to the Russell Martin/Laz Diaz feud to guys like Joe West and Angel Hernandez there are too many umpires in professional baseball who do not seem to know how to act like professionals.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:47 PM

My top priority would be to use robots to call pitches. Umpires are ten times worse at that than they are at every other call.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:31 PM

It might be the dumbest call ever. The Braves-Pirates last year had an extra inning game end on a worse call than this.