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Article: Gleeman & the Geek, Ep 187: Roster Reactions & Dozier Deal

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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 07:20 AM

Aaron and John talk and/or argue about nearly everything the Twins did in the past week, including demoting Alex Meyer, Trevor May, Aaron Hicks, and Eddie Rosario to Triple-A, choosing Tommy Milone for the rotation, moving an angry Mike Pelfrey to the bullpen, signing Brian Dozier to a $20 million contract, trusting spring training numbers, and what to drink at Mason's Barre. And then they give away a pair of 20-game Twins season tickets courtesy of the Minnesota Corn Growers Association.

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#2 Secondary User

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 01:22 PM

That was a heated episode.  Hope Bonnes is still alive....


#3 Seth Stohs

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 05:52 PM

I was waiting to HEAR some punches of something. 

 

And as you know, in baseball, there is only one right way to think... 

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#4 Penthang

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 10:16 PM

Wow, a lot of arguing about the least meaningful fringes of the roster. I do have to agree with Gleeman though, it would have been nice to see one or two of the contended spots go to a prospect instead of mediocre aging player x. Maybe, just maybe a player with upside could show something instead of just keeping the roster spot warm.

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#5 Shane Wahl

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 11:31 PM

Gleeman is spot on here.

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#6 savvyspy

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 09:19 AM

Aaron described the Twins front office philosophy to a tee. They are in LOVE with replacement level players and prefer these players to their supposed top prospects at every turn. This is just further evidence either they don't know how to build a major league roster or their minor league system is VASTLY overrated. I've always held that the former was the case but I'm now in the camp that they are so inept they couldn't develop top prospects if they even wanted to give them a chance which they obviously do not.

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#7 amjgt

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 09:36 AM

I haven't listened to the episode yet, but this is where I was hoping to find this discussion.

 

I wanted ONE..... all I needed was ONE out-of-the-(Twins typical)-box choice for the 25 man roster. 

 

Meyer... Rosario.... Burdi..... Sano.... Heck, I might have even settled for May.

 

But, no, I got the same uninspiring choices.

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#8 benji21

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:23 AM

Listening to this episode makes me wonder if John even pays attention to baseball. How can he and still have those takes? I was as frustrated as gleeman.

#9 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 12:18 PM

I think people can say that May should be up, thought I don't think that's an easy, obviously choice. The rest of the moves just make sense. 

 

If there are 2-5 of the young guys up by the end of June, then I'll be annoyed.


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 12:25 PM

 

I think people can say that May should be up, thought I don't think that's an easy, obviously choice.

He did not impress in his final spring start. The wind was blowing steadily to right. You could chalk that up to bad luck, or you could view it as him letting the Pirate batters have their way. I choose the latter. I would like a pitcher I can trust when the wind is unfavorable (righty facing lefties in this case). A quick tuneup in Rochester and maybe he smooths out a few rough spots like that with good coaching.

If your attack appears to be going well, then you're in an ambush.


#11 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 12:53 PM

Where I agree more with Aaron is that spring training stats shouldn't come in to play... however, spring training performance should... In other words, it's not about the numbers, it's about the process and some other things that are more visual than the randomness of 40 at bats or 8-12 innings. 

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#12 Shane Wahl

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 01:10 PM

Gleeman is beyond right about May here. I don't understand how anyone argues based on one stupid start in March . . . it's a very poor idea.


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 01:39 PM

 

Gleeman is beyond right about May here. I don't understand how anyone argues based on one stupid start in March . . . it's a very poor idea.

Oh.

If your attack appears to be going well, then you're in an ambush.


#14 Shane Wahl

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:04 PM

 

Oh.

 

It isn't? Basing a decision on one start isn't a very poor idea?


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:17 PM

 

Where I agree more with Aaron is that spring training stats shouldn't come in to play... however, spring training performance should... In other words, it's not about the numbers, it's about the process and some other things that are more visual than the randomness of 40 at bats or 8-12 innings. 

 

OK, but I know what Jordan Shafer and Shane Robsinson are as MLB players, and I don't know it because of Spring Training.I know what Mike Pelfrey is, along with Tim Staufer.I understand Arcia's fielding issues, and Hunter's age.What is Pelrey going to do that Alex Meyer can't?What is Tim Staufer going to do that Trevor May can't?Are you really telling me that Hick's awful hitting is worse than Shafer?Is Molitor not creative enough to figure a way to get Hicks or Rosario at bats?

 

I get it with Rosario, Sano, Buxton, and Berrios, but what more does AAA offer Hicks, May, and Meyer other than sub par competition?Allow them to figure out how to get MLB hitters out from the bullpen and possible spot starts.Force them to figure out how to get MLB hitters out IN the strike zone.If they fail, they fail.It will be due to poor scouting more than anything else, and the team can move on.Inconsistently great is better than consistently bad every day of the week for me, and our roster is consistently bad right now.Unless Vargas and Santana pick up where they left off last year, it could get real ugly, real quick.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:28 PM

 

Gleeman is beyond right about May here. I don't understand how anyone argues based on one stupid start in March . . . it's a very poor idea.

 

Ohh, they've gone many fathoms deeper in some of their roster logic this spring.  Tommy "the Minimizer" Milone comes to mind, for one.

 "Throwin BB's" Blaine Boyer is another,

 Timmy "Lean Cuisine" is a third. 

 

Joyous, fact-based and tireless Twins fan for 40+ years, who unfortunately has been characterized as-

 

"forcing Twins fans to endure more bitter, baseless, and tiresome cheap shots about the Twins FO."


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:28 PM

 

It isn't? Basing a decision on one start isn't a very poor idea?

(Now that you've dropped "unfathomably stupid" I'll respond.)

 

But where did I say that? I noted he had a poor start.

 

What if it's a close decision and you tell (indirectly) the guys vying for the job that the last start for each will matter. That's not the same thing, is it? Don't you like to give a player a challenge, and give him some negative reinforcement if he comes up short? I have no sources inside the clubhouse but this is one guess.

 

Or even if you don't tell them, if it's close then the last start will matter.

 

But again, I said he had a bad start, and explained some background that might not be apparent from a box score. It didn't deserve being called unfathomably stupid.

If your attack appears to be going well, then you're in an ambush.


#18 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:30 PM

 

OK, but I know what Jordan Shafer and Shane Robsinson are as MLB players, and I don't know it because of Spring Training.I know what Mike Pelfrey is, along with Tim Staufer.I understand Arcia's fielding issues, and Hunter's age.What is Pelrey going to do that Alex Meyer can't?What is Tim Staufer going to do that Trevor May can't?Are you really telling me that Hick's awful hitting is worse than Shafer?Is Molitor not creative enough to figure a way to get Hicks or Rosario at bats?

 

I get it with Rosario, Sano, Buxton, and Berrios, but what more does AAA offer Hicks, May, and Meyer other than sub par competition?Allow them to figure out how to get MLB hitters out from the bullpen and possible spot starts.Force them to figure out how to get MLB hitters out IN the strike zone.If they fail, they fail.It will be due to poor scouting more than anything else, and the team can move on.Inconsistently great is better than consistently bad every day of the week for me, and our roster is consistently bad right now.Unless Vargas and Santana pick up where they left off last year, it could get real ugly, real quick.

 

I could probably answer each individual question. I do agree with John in his comment that the Twins still believe in Aaron Hicks enough to think he can get better and learn in AAA.

 

May's MLB performance last year didn't scream promotion.Meyer's BB/9 rate and 

tough spring don't scream promotion. Both of them have a chance to be solid in time, but do have things to work on.

 

Guys like Schafer and Robinson are short-term stopgaps allowing those other guys (including Buxton) to continue to develop. 

 

Rosario didn't hit last year. He didn't hit this spring. I don't think anyone should make an argument that he should have made the team. What he did last year was FAR less than what Aaron Hicks did at AA before he got promoted. 

 

What can Pelfrey do that Meyer can't at this point? Throw strikes. 

 

These moves are short-term. They're about the bigger picture. 


#19 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:33 PM

 

Gleeman is beyond right about May here. I don't understand how anyone argues based on one stupid start in March . . . it's unfathomably stupid.

 

I would agree. I think that Molitor and Ryan would agree. I think Milone was the decision coming into camp (and that was who I had in pre-spring and during-spring roster projections), and May would have had to have been perfect this spring. His missed time is probably a bigger factor than anything else.

 

Also, relax, man!

 

 

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:39 PM

 

Where I agree more with Aaron is that spring training stats shouldn't come in to play... however, spring training performance should... In other words, it's not about the numbers, it's about the process and some other things that are more visual than the randomness of 40 at bats or 8-12 innings. 

I totally agree with this in theory--but in practice, I'm not sure I've seen evidence the Twins are good evaluators of process during spring training. Aaron Hicks puts up great numbers in Spring Training 2013 and Spring Training 2014, and the Twins said, "Yup, he's our guy!" Maybe there should have been some process clues that he wasn't ready.

 

On the flip side, Jason Bartlett puts up a .093/.152/.093 line in Spring Training 2014, and the Twins say, "We liked his process. We're not worried about him." I don't know what they saw in his process that told him that, but it would suggest they need to hire some new evaluators.

 

If I want to be charitable to the Twins this spring, I say their decision-makers really are convinced they were a good team last year but caught some bad breaks. I'm of the belief that on a bad team, you want to take risks on inconsistent guys who flash greatness, while a good team should fill the margins with reliable mediocrity where there's no risk the bottom will fall out. If the Twins really think they're a contender, maybe that's why they went for reliability.

 

Of course, I don't think they're a contender, and so I remind myself the roster on May 15 and even July 1 is more important than the roster on Opening Day. If that roster still isn't willing to take chances with young guys who lead with their upside, then I'll be very disappointed. Note: I was very disappointed in 2014.




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