Posted 21 June 2012 - 06:53 AM
Would be interesting to see this with HS pitchers. From memory i dont remember any HS pitchers make the club.
Latroy Hawkins and Brad Radke. Baseball reference has a page listing the primary starters and closers. Boof Bonser also came out of high school but not drafted by the Twins.
Posted 21 June 2012 - 07:40 AM
Posted 21 June 2012 - 07:53 AM
Posted 21 June 2012 - 08:09 AM
Let's face it, we have had two legit big time bats on the club for a long time with Mauer and Morneau. You have to go all the way back to Kirby to name a consistent bat before them.
I'd consider both Hunter and Koskie to be "consistent bats". Both had above league average bats for over a half decade.
Posted 21 June 2012 - 08:46 AM
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 09:17 AM
One aspect when drafting high schoolers that is not often mentioned is that they are teenagers. And like any other teenager sometimes they are not sure of what they really want to do. The article mention the case of Matt Moses, that he really did not care much. I don't know but that may be the case for many, like many other kids that start college, and after a year or two change major, sometimes several times. And it is OK, and it is nobody's fault. It is just the process of maturation. I am actually surprise to see that about 2/3 made it.
You make a great point... I know I changed my major several times! Doesn't make them a bad person by any means.
As for the 2/3 made it, I do need to re-emphasize that the same size was just 22 players drafted by the Twins among the Top 100 picks over a 15 year period from 1993 through 2007. I too was impressed that it was that high.
Posted 21 June 2012 - 09:19 AM
It seems to me that Mauer marked a turning point--Twins did fairly well with HS draft picks until Mauer (Torii, AJ, Cuddy) and pretty poor with the exception of Span (and maybe Revere) since. Is the scouting staff different, is the minor league coaching different?? I also think Buxton has to be on a fast track as number 2 pick. It wll be disappointing if he is not up by Sept. 2016.
That's why I did want to include the draft position in my chart. That said, I would mention that from all reports, Mauer was a much more polished hitter as a 17/18 year old than what Buxton is. Of course, he's yet to spend any time in a game yet, so it's far too early for any guarantees, but I think the September 2016 timeline seems fair.
Posted 21 June 2012 - 09:30 AM
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:24 AM
I guess I can't think of a situation where they should have in recent years.
[QUOTE]Talent evaluation has changed over the past decade and that's why 19yr olds like Bryce Harper & Mike Trout are recalled cause they deserve it, not due to their age. The 2 players Buxton is compared to (BJ/Justin Upton) both made their MLB debut at age 19 also. Miguel Cabrera was 20 & didnt dominate minor league ball when he came up , but their is NO shot the Twins would do the same with Miguel Sano.[/QUOTE]
I'd say let the kid play and prove that he should be moved up. Sano isn't being kept in Beloit because the Twins are slow to promote prospects. He's staying in Beloit because he needs to improve. Buxton doesn't even have a minor league at bat yet. Let's let him get a few of those before we promote him. Comparisons for Buxton are the Uptons, but what if he becomes Mike Cameron instead (And that would be decent)... Let's let these guys play a little bit, mature a little bit and see how they move up. Pushing prospects is one thing. Pushing them too fast rarely works.
[QUOTE]Basically, I believe, MN tries to develop their players for their minor league system....not their major league system.[/QUOTE]
I would 100%, wholeheartedly disagree with that statement.
Posted 21 June 2012 - 12:59 PM
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 07:37 AM
Basically, I believe, MN tries to develop their players for their minor league system....not their major league system.
As a person who goes to a lot of Minor League games I disagree with this whole heartedly. I missed seeing Morneau in Quad Cities and Manship in Beloit by a week because they moved up before the season ended. I see what is happening with Madison Boer who was the opening day starter in Beloit and has struggled in FM and wonder why he didn't stay down for half a season. I read a lot of Jim Mandelero in Rochester and I think Red Wing fans would laugh, maybe cry, at that statement.
The Twins final end game is to get these guys to be productive Major Leaguers to the best of their abilities. Down the food chain we need to accept that we are stepping stones and as Mongo from Blazing Saddles would, "Just pawns in game of life." Now how good the Twins are at reaching that end game is debatable, but no one is developing Sano or Buxton to top out at Rochester. Also that some of these guys don't make it is not always the fault of the organization or the coaches or the front office, some personal responsibilty needs to be put on the individual here. These kids, and the are kids, have been given talents and opportunities that us less gifted and more robust shall we say dream of. It is a test of not only physical skills but will and attitude to make through E-Town, Beloit, New Britian and Rochester. We only see the product on the field, but the rest of life is what can trip the players up big time. Some like Josh Hamilton and Sean Burroughs survive the demons to play another day in the sun, most have their moments and move on to some other path knowing they gave it a shot and it didn't work out, some leave angry and confused about why they aren't Strasburg or Trout and blame the coaches and organization, and some drop off the radar and lose themselves like Brien Taylor. Unlike the other sports in or culture baseball is life in many ways.