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#1 thebigshow20

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:45 AM

With about a month and a half left until the trade deadline, this thread is for trade rumors and speculation. Who do you want to see shipped out? For who? mlbtraderumors.com has good articles about potential trades. I read the Blue Jays have interest in Morneau. Also, would not be surprised to see Span traded to a team with starting pitching available.

#2 stringer bell

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:14 AM

Doumit, Capps and perhaps Burton could be available.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:55 AM

Well, here's something for you:

http://www.mlbtrader...k-pitching.html

You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:46 AM

Well, here's something for you:

http://www.mlbtrader...k-pitching.html


Ryan said,"We need pitching, and we need it bad."

No, they need it good, and they need it badly. :)

#5 Winston Smith

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:21 AM

Imo, you listen on any player on the roster. If you can help the team long term it needs to be done. Willingham and Span you say make me an offer I can't refuse and you don't trade these guys for relief pitchers.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:27 AM

Imo, you listen on any player on the roster. If you can help the team long term it needs to be done. Willingham and Span you say make me an offer I can't refuse and you don't trade these guys for relief pitchers.


Agreed with everything. If the Twins top prospects after the trade deadline doesn't look different I will be very disappointed.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:04 AM

In less there is a blow away offer, Willingham is going nowhere.. The Twins will need a watchable product next year, also Trading a Player who has just signed as a Free Age will not look good to future Free Agents. Trading Burton would not make any sense. Cheap and under Team control for next Season. Next years Bullpen will need a couple of Veterans to go along with the kids.

Edited by Highabove, 18 June 2012 - 11:14 AM.


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:24 AM

Great that Terry recognizes that we need pitching....but it must be effective pitching or nothing will improve....I'm at the point where I don't care who they trade to get it, just get it. I'm sick of my team being cellar dwellers....

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:34 AM

I guess my question is who is going to give us ready-to-go starting pitching? While the Twin's situation is worse than most, nobody has as much starting pitching as they like, and everybody is looking for the hot new prospect who is a guaranteed go-to starter in a year or two. And if we're going to trade away a Morneau or a Willingham or a Span, that's what we need in return - somebody who is a good bet to be ready in at most 18 months. We don't need some hotshot in A-ball who may end up fizzling anyway. I hate to say it, but the best way out of our pitching quandry is hope some of the talent we have in the system develops well, maybe get 1-2 mid-level starters (we'll never get an ace) in free agency, utilize the rule 5 draft effectively, and continue to stock younger arms through the amateur draft.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:53 AM

In less there is a blow away offer, Willingham is going nowhere.. The Twins will need a watchable product next year, also Trading a Player who has just signed as a Free Age will not look good to future Free Agents.
Trading Burton would not make any sense. Cheap and under Team control for next Season. Next years Bullpen will need a couple of Veterans to go along with the kids.


Let's hope they get a blow away offer....

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 12:14 PM

As good as Willingham has been, he doesn't and won't put fans in the seats. As far a marketing goes, he is neither tenured long enough as a Twins nor offensively prolific enough to bring people to the stadium; he is expendable from that standpoint. If Ryan believes the Twins can contend during the last two years of Willingham's contract than he can be hesitant about moving him as misguided as the notion of contending might be. My stratagy would be to start putting out the idea that Willingham is a more consistant and healthier Carlos Quentin seeing as CQ has been the big outfield name on the market. If you can't get a terrific desperation offer, try the move again next year.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 01:20 PM

Morneau has concussion history--he wont bring an offer Twins cant refuse. The only 2 Twns who can are Span and Willingham--trade one if you get a good number 2/3 starter (like Gio or Jordan Zimmerman of Nats) and a pitching prospect doing well in AAA. With Harper I doubt Span is of interest to Nats...maybe elsewhere. Trading others--Carroll, Plouffe, Morneau wont bring either a top notch prospect or #2 starter...Twins need a second reliable starter for 2013 to go along with Diamond. Thats what they should be trading for.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

Morneau has concussion history--he wont bring an offer Twins cant refuse. The only 2 Twns who can are Span and Willingham--trade one if you get a good number 2/3 starter (like Gio or Jordan Zimmerman of Nats) and a pitching prospect doing well in AAA. With Harper I doubt Span is of interest to Nats...maybe elsewhere. Trading others--Carroll, Plouffe, Morneau wont bring either a top notch prospect or #2 starter...Twins need a second reliable starter for 2013 to go along with Diamond. Thats what they should be trading for.


I think the Nats view Harper as a future corner infield, and I think the Span speculation has more to do with their lack of top of the order bats. Their leadoff hitters have a .308 OBP this year, they are going to want an upgrade for any kind of meaningful playoff run.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:35 PM

Any chance we can get a guy like Alex Meyer from the Nats from Span or is that too high of a prospect? Where in most organizations would the prospects rank that we should expect to receive for Span, Morneau, Capps, Willingham, or whoever else?

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:25 PM

Any chance we can get a guy like Alex Meyer from the Nats from Span or is that too high of a prospect? Where in most organizations would the prospects rank that we should expect to receive for Span, Morneau, Capps, Willingham, or whoever else?


Puckett's Pond had a great post about some prospects the Twins may want. http://puckettspond....ins-might-want/

Toronto looks like a great trade partner because they have Syndergaard, Sanchez, and Nicolino. I'd hope that the Twins could get 2 out of the 3 and a low prospect if they eat some of Morneau's contract.

Edited by YourHouseIsMyHouse, 18 June 2012 - 03:38 PM.


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:36 PM

The Twins really only need to build a core that is essentially untouchable (unless they are blown away which is unlikely). Right now I think that group is Mauer, Diamond, Burnett, Plouffe, Dozier, and Revere. Nearly everyone else becomes expendable for a reasonable price. I think we have two groups of trade bait. One is "As Good as Gone" and the other is "Moveable". The Difference is that the AGAG absolutely NEED to be traded, while Moveable pieces still could be part of the Twins future and would need to pried away. AGAG: Doumit, Carroll, Span, Burton, Capps, Swarzak, Liriano, and Pavano (If anyone wants him) Moveable: Morneau, Perkins, Duensing, and Willingham

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 04:07 PM

I would actually put Carroll into the "Moveable" category, simply because they are still weak in the middle IF, and shouldn't move him unit they have a solid third guy besides Casilla and Dozier in the middle. I would also consider Perkins and Burton as part of the "core" rather than Burnett. They have both shown flashes of brilliance, and both could rack up a lot of holds and saves if the rest of the team handed them the lead in the 8th more often. They aren't as young as Burnett, but I don't know that youth is nesc. as valuable in a relief pitcher as it is in other positions. Willingham is another one I would add to your "core" group, simply because I think we benefit from having a guy older than 25 in the OF mix, just to help be mentor and an example to the young kids. I think we're going to have a veteran one way or the other, and I'd rather it be willingham than a rent-a-wreck guy like Rondell White

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 04:41 PM

I am going to go with Joe Sanders for Burnett (Guerra or Oliveras, or Slama) and Benson or Tosoni, sign Sanders to a 2 year 12-15 million extention and we have another "Twins pitcher who can be a reliable 3-4-5 starter with good control and 200 innings. Basically 2 usable prospects that can somewhat contribute, Benson may be a bit much... Guthrie is available too. I doubt he would cost much either.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 04:47 PM

I would also consider Perkins and Burton as part of the "core" rather than Burnett. They have both shown flashes of brilliance, and both could rack up a lot of holds and saves if the rest of the team handed them the lead in the 8th more often.


As annoying as it is, I'm pretty sure the front office is going to deal Capps (yay!) and slot Perkins into the closer role next season. I'm down with retaining Perkins but I'm not down with giving a lefty the ninth inning... Or anyone the ninth inning, really. It's so much more efficient to use your best bullpen guys when they're needed most and that's usually not the ninth inning. Plus, if you don't declare a "closer", you don't have to pay anyone on the roster "closer" money.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 05:01 PM

As annoying as it is, I'm pretty sure the front office is going to deal Capps (yay!) and slot Perkins into the closer role next season.


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