Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:49 PM
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Many of those #2 starters could be had for 2 yrs plus an option. If you could get Greinke on maybe 3yrs and 2yrs with options with the 4th being mutual and the 5th being team he could take it. I do like Bedard as well if he stay healthy and he looks solid over the last 9 months or so. Zambrano is a reach, threw him in there. Ryan needs to move away from that "veteran" pitcher. When has it worked in the past for him?? Never!!!! We need a #1 and #2 not more of the same #5 crap!!
Amen. Any PR statements that the club is competing, not rebuilding or happy with the status quo, is belied by their repeated over-reach for SPs from the scrap heap.
Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:18 PM
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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:30 PM
I think he's nailed the market for Greinke. Look at the RH SPs making $20M/year - Verlander, Cain, Felix, Halladay - all of them have much lower ERAs with way more IP since 2009 (which includes Greinke's Cy Young season). I don't think many GMs are going to say he's worth as much as those guys, though he'll probably do better than Lackey/AJ Burnett (5/$82 or so). $18.5M/yr for 5 years plus a $7.5M buyout of a 6th year that vests if he's healthy is my guess for what he'll get. That shouldn't be beyond the Twins' means.
I think you are underestimating the market for Greinke. The most we coud hope for in terms of a FA signing is a medium sized splash, so maybe one of those guys at the bottom of your list.
Anyways, signing one or two average SP's isn't the solution long term. If teams are willing to overpay for some of our veterans, you have to listen...
However, 2 from the lower part of the list (to which I'd add Dempster and Brandon McCarthy) at $10-12M/yr for 3-4 years is a lot less risky, and the results would still be pretty meaningful. Perhaps throw in a discounted 1-year flier on Baker or somebody else trying to come back from injury, with Gibson hopefully in the pipeline for midsummer, and the whole complexion of the pitching staff would be changed for the better. If there's something left over for position players, spiffy. But SP has to be the #1 offseason priority, and they need to be a lot better than Marquis or Livan.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:52 AM
If you want to fix the team. Pitching is where you start... The 2012 FA class is better than the 2013 class. Let the expiring contracts of the current staff go... Sign a Free Agent... A big one with the money saved... Be aggressive. Keep throwing arms until the keepers emerge and pitchers can join the big free agent. Acquire Pitching and when you think you have enough... Acquire some more...
Don't even worry about hitting. Find defenders who can catch because it goess hand in hand with pitching... Once you start to have a pitching staff that looks half way decent... Then you can add the boppers.
I agree with this team-building philosophy. It must begin with Starting pitching, then relief pitching, quality defense, then good hitting, then good base running, then good pitching in AAA, then power hitting. Best evidence besides some former Twins teams to support this method/philosophy: the Pittsburgh Pirates the last few years and especially this year. They are leading the NL Central with the least # of runs scored in all of baseball, 191; and have a -17 run differential. That's great pitching and horrible offense greeting close games and a winning record -- a winning formula for us to follow.
Should'a gone fishing
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I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?