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#1 Hosken Bombo Disco

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:18 AM

Here are the ERA's of starters entering September. Past three seasons. Name, followed by # of starts made, followed by ERA to entering September

* for entertainment purposes only

2012
Scott Diamond (21), 3.21
Sam Deduno (10), 3.72
Cole DeVries (13), 4.68
PJ Walters (7), 5.40
Liam Hendricks (10), 6.02

2013
Andrew Albers (5), 2.92
Kevin Correia (26), 4.32
Mike Pelfrey (25), 4.86
Liam Hendricks (5), 5.13
Scott Diamond (20), 5.52
Pedro Hernandez (9), 5.54

2014
Phil Hughes (27), 3.70
Kyle Gibson (26), 4.23
Ricky Nolasco (21), 5.62
Tommy Milone (4), 7.94
Trevor May (4), 10.42

Difference in 2014 being that Gibson and Hughes should be guys to build around, even if it looks like May won't cut it, or Meyer is not ready right away, Milone should be fine...maybe Berrios gets a shot next year?
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#2 The Wise One

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:54 AM

xPE said Cole Devries could be an ACE. I wonder what happened there? (said tongue in cheek)

http://tenthinningst...g-in-twins.html

In regards to Berrios, just plug the numbers in the formula and you might be 66.666666666667% right.


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:32 AM

But the question is: what is wrong? Why does every SP here border on mediocre at best? Is it as simple as Andy? Pitch to contact? Whatever it is, it's getting old!
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Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:47 AM

Difference in 2014 being that Gibson and Hughes should be guys to build around, even if it looks like May won't cut it, or Meyer is not ready right away, Milone should be fine...maybe Berrios gets a shot next year?

Let's not give up on May quite yet after four MLB starts. Sure, he's got adjustments to make, but let's not give up on him. He had a great year at AAA and has shown all kinds of improvement. It takes patience. Sure, we've seen Santana and Vargas do well right off the bat. So May struggled early, let's give him a chance to turn it around.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:55 AM

This paints a very sorry picture.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:11 AM

Not sure why Gibson isn't on the 2013 list. He was pretty bad last year. I'm not terribly worried about May for that very reason. It takes time to adjust.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:38 AM

Not sure why Gibson isn't on the 2013 list. He was pretty bad last year. I'm not terribly worried about May for that very reason. It takes time to adjust.


Maybe because he was sent back to Rochester in August 2013? Not clear, but perhaps the criteria is starters on the roster Sep. 1st...

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:44 AM

The salient qqestion is:How many sucessful pitchers have been developed by the Twins' system?

 

The "September ERA problem" will simply repeat itself.As for the proclamations about pitchers in the MiL system?--We've heard that story every year for more thandecade."We've got 'him' and 'him' plus 'these other guys' at [where ever]"."We're well positioned for the future."There is considerable evidence to doubt the reassurances.


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:37 AM

The salient qqestion is:How many sucessful pitchers have been developed by the Twins' system?
 
The "September ERA problem" will simply repeat itself.As for the proclamations about pitchers in the MiL system?--We've heard that story every year for more thandecade."We've got 'him' and 'him' plus 'these other guys' at [where ever]"."We're well positioned for the future."There is considerable evidence to doubt the reassurances.


You are probably on to something. This was just a quick glance. Is there something that happens between AAA and MLB in this organization? How can May be melting down so badly. Also, this is the worst four game stretch of Milone's career.

But I do think the system is stocked with better talent than in the past. Hughes seems to take a liking here, if not Nolasco. One out of two FA signings working out so far; that's not bad.
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Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:06 PM

I know May allowed a lot of R's the last game, but his he struck out 8 out of only 11 outs.So he's got stuff.

 

He only walked one (although the two HBP weren't great). 

 

He got hit hard, but some of those will start to fall in leather as it goes on. 

 

I think he will still get it going.


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 09:44 AM

how about the FIP and xFIP for these same pitchers? Can we blame the poor defense for some of the ugliness?

 

last number is the FIP, in italics:

 

2014
Phil Hughes (27), 3.70 , 2.62
Kyle Gibson (26), 4.23,3.70
Ricky Nolasco (21), 5.62, 4.55
Tommy Milone (4), 7.94, 5.77
Trevor May (4), 10.42, 5.44

Edited by Kirby_waved_at_me, 02 September 2014 - 09:50 AM.


#12 Mike Sixel

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 09:58 AM

But since the Twins have no changes to make on offense. ..... not sure how the defense improves.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 10:06 AM

how about the FIP and xFIP for these same pitchers? Can we blame the poor defense for some of the ugliness?

 

last number is the FIP, in italics:

 

2014
Phil Hughes (27), 3.70 , 2.62
Kyle Gibson (26), 4.23,3.70
Ricky Nolasco (21), 5.62, 4.55
Tommy Milone (4), 7.94, 5.77
Trevor May (4), 10.42, 5.44

 

Thanks Kirby-Wave. This was just a view from 35,000 feet about how this year compares with the past couple years. Hughsie is top 5 or 10 in FIP and is a real bright spot. On the other hand, I fear Nolasco might be our new Pelfrey. Mays is an enigma and hopefully not headed the way of Liam Hendricks and others. 

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 10:17 AM

Hopefully May has just been getting his feet wet and taking some lumps in the same way that Gibson did last year.

HItting two guys in his last start was no good, but other than that blip he has seemed to be a little bit better each time he's gone out there control-wise.

 

I think the numbers for Milone and May are too small to get reliable data just yet. Nolasco has just been awful no matter how you slice it. I do expect that he'll be better next season, it would be hard to be worse!


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:11 PM

You are probably on to something. This was just a quick glance. Is there something that happens between AAA and MLB in this organization? How can May be melting down so badly. Also, this is the worst four game stretch of Milone's career.

 

Like what?Like some talent-absorbing vortex they have to pass through?:blink:

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