I agree that part of the 2011-2014 collapse is on Ryan.
On the other hand, does Ryan trade Garza going into a season where he's also going to lose Santana? Does he trade Wilson Ramos?
If the Twins have/had those two players, how different is 2011-2014?
Bill Smith took a bad situation and made it so much worse. I can not see a situation where Ryan trades an up-and-coming young starter and a promising young catcher. With those two pieces, the past eight years look a whole lot different.
If Bill Smith did not trade Garza and Ramos, how different is 2010? Capps and Young were major reasons that the Twins won the division in 2010.
When Ramos was traded he was blocked by Mauer.People are arguing that Pinto should be traded in favor of Suzuki, doesn't this argument make the Ramos trade a no-brainer?
Garza was going to be gone as a free agent and was not going to be around to help in 2011-4.
And, for the sake of argument, lets say that you had Ramos & Garza from 2011-2014.
Would Ramos start instead of Mauer?No.So you would replace Suzuki with Ramos in 2014.That's a wash.Maybe a few PAs off Butera and some DHs?1-2 wins better each season from 2011-2013?(So we are looking at 98, 95, 95)
If you had Garza, you would not have Pavano in 2011 and 2012, Correia in 2013 and 2014.Fair assessment? Here are comparisons:
2011: Pavano 9-13, Garza 10-10
2012: Pavano 2-5, Garza 5-7
2013: Correia 9-14, Garza 10-6
2014: Correia 7-14, Garza 7-7
So 1 more win in 2011, 3 in 2012, 1 in 2013 and none in 2014.
So total with both:
97 losses in 2011
92 in 2012
94 in 2013 and
91 (projected) in 2014.
and missing the post-season in 2010
That's the math of those 2 trades.