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#21 JB_Iowa

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 04:10 PM

Does the failure to announce have anything to do with his only being at A+?

 

Aren't there some qualifications on numbers below AA and AAA?
 

Seems weird that he'd be on the roster, though and yet Twins wouldn't announce.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 04:21 PM

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Nick Burdi is NOT official as the seventh and final #MNTwins AFLer. Still being debated internally, I'm told.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 04:44 PM

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino· 9m 
Response minutes ago from @MLBazFallLeague spokesman Paul Jensen on Nick Burdi: "Speculation. The Twins still owe us one pitcher."

 

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino· 7m 
Person with direct knowledge tells me #mntwins "changed their mind" on Nick Burdi as final AFL pick. Hence the online confusion.

 

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino· 4m 
And before everyone jumps to the wrong conclusion, I'm told Nick Burdi is completely healthy.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 05:27 PM

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino· 9m 
Response minutes ago from @MLBazFallLeague spokesman Paul Jensen on Nick Burdi: "Speculation. The Twins still owe us one pitcher."

 

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino· 7m 
Person with direct knowledge tells me #mntwins "changed their mind" on Nick Burdi as final AFL pick. Hence the online confusion.

 

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino· 4m 
And before everyone jumps to the wrong conclusion, I'm told Nick Burdi is completely healthy.

5 scoreless outings since jump to Ft. Myers

 

And ensuing confusion reigns for all Twins fans offline. Seems like this could have been handled a little better.

 

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 05:51 PM

Sounds like whoever released the full roster didn't get the word that the Twins were reconsidering Burdi.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 06:04 PM

I think they're all pretty good choices. As long as he is physically up to it, I think Buxton is an obvious choice. What little time he got this season wasn't enough to really "develop", but probably just enough to keep the status quo and not get Rusty. He obviously needs the AB's to get ready for New Britain.

Glad to see Kepler finally coming to life and getting the extra development time in the AFL. I really thought this was the year Kepler was going to make a big leap. He's obviously very raw, still young, has a lot to learn but seems to ooze athleticism and talent from all reports. Not sure what's held him back this season. But again, nice to see him on a roll and finishing the season strong.

I'm still impressed with Rosario's potential. I can forgive a young man being stupid and doing what he did, pot right? But my concern is continuing infractions. Did we ever hear what he did recently to be suspended for a few games? Was it a form of cautionary moment to make sure his head stayed screwed on straight, or do we have an attitude problem to worry about? I hope it's the former as I see a quality LF who can fill in at CF, maybe 2B, and be a hit machine with a lot of doubles and consistent double digit HR power. Can he develop 20 HR power eventually? I think as he settles in and develops more physically it's possible.

This should be a nice springboard for Melotakis to hit the ground running at AA to begin 2015. I'm OK with keeping Burdi out, though his innings totals are not high. But then again, he is a RP and not a SP. He would have had fall ball before college ST and a full season in college before about a half season of pro ball. A little time off might be a good thing.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:38 PM

He's pitched in 2-3 games for the Rock Cats already. He wasn't a PTBNL. He was named right away when the deal was made. 

Wasn't it Correia who got swapped for as yet unknown returns?


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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:49 PM

Wasn't it Correia who got swapped for as yet unknown returns?

 

You are correct, sir.  

 

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 10:53 PM

Jeremy and I discussed on Twins Hangouts.

 

It could just be that they (or Burdi) decided Burdi wasn't going to play.

 

It could be that they are going to wait until they find out more about Buxton. If they need to replace Buxton, maybe they add Adam Walker meaning that they can't have another Ft. Myers player, so maybe someone like Alex Wimmers goes in place of Burdi.

 

It could be an attempt to get clearance for a player in another Winter League.

 

Could be several things, including nothing.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 11:10 PM

Wasn't it Correia who got swapped for as yet unknown returns?

 

i'm guessing Correia ends up being traded for straight cash homie.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 11:13 PM

Phil Miller updated the situation on the AFL picks today, in a summation that took more page space than the game summary of the Twins walk-off loss to KC.  Mike Radcliff was the source for some in-depth commentary on the big announcement and the Burdi snafu:

 

 

 

The Twins will also send four pitchers, though only three have been settled on so far: righthander Jason Adam and lefthanders Mason Melotakis and Taylor Rogers, all at New Britain.

 

A fourth pitcher, Nick Burdi, was incorrectly listed on the Rafters’ roster, but Radcliff said he was only one of “a few candidates” for the remaining spot.  

All three pitchers are serious candidates to be in Minneapolis soon, perhaps even next season, Radcliff said

 

This explanation invites more questions than it answers.  Such as....

 

1) How did the Salt River team know to post Burdi to their roster?

 

2) Dustin Morse made the official announcement online, sans Burdi.  Exactly when was he officially removed from the remaining spot?... and more importantly, why?

 

3) If the three pitchers that did make the cut are "serious candidates to be in Mpls. soon", where does that leave "only one of several candidates", Nick Burdi?

 

 

http://www.startribu.../272818871.html

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 11:59 PM

I'm disappointed Adam Brett Walker didn't make the cut. Despite his flaws - He has played in more games than any prospect over the last 2 years (in the Twins system) and has yet to be thrown a bone by the Twins organization. No promotions either year (2013 & 2014). Mid Season and Post Season All Star each of the last 2 years. 2013 MWL League Topps MVP. Led MWL and FSL leagues in Home Runs; RBIs; and Total Bases each of the last 2 years. Stays Healthy - Plays Hard - Has won a regular season league championship each of his 3 professional years and has made the playoffs respectively each of those years. Still No Bone.

All Star Game MVP - Home Run Derby Champion. 22 more RBI than the closest teammate. 14 more Home Runs than the closest teammate. Still No Bone. I love Kepler and I understand he is on the 40 man roster, but he is hitting .258 and Walker is hitting .244! Kepler has 54 RBI and Walker has 40 more RBI at 94. Kepler has scored 50 times and Walker has scored 74 times despite getting on base significantly less based on OBP. If Walker would have had Keplers complete stats this year, he would have been dropped of the prospect radar. You know that's true. Throw the Man a Bone Twins. He deserves that 7th spot.
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:26 AM

I'd kinda like to see Wimmers get a chance. After 3 lost seasons he's finally starting to show something, especially since being moved to the pen. It would be nice to evaluate him in a hostile pitching environment against a league full of stud hitters before making a 40-man decision on him in November.

 

I like the 6 guys they picked, but I think Levi Michael would have been a good choice, too. When he's been on the field this year he's been really good, but he hasn't been tested much above A-ball.

 

Guess I'm just hoping our formerly struggling 1st-round picks can still amount to something!


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:26 AM

I would have thought Levi Michael would have been going for sure, but that was without considering Rosario being allowed to go.

 

I guess I don't even know why they would bother sending Burdi as opposed to someone like Cole Johnson or Adrian Salcedo. I guess I like the Rogers, Melotakis, and Adam selections, but the 7th could be resolved immediately with Johnson or Salcedo.


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 05:57 AM

Phil Miller updated the situation on the AFL picks today, in a summation that took more page space than the game summary of the Twins walk-off loss to KC.  Mike Radcliff was the source for some in-depth commentary on the big announcement and the Burdi snafu:

 

 

This explanation invites more questions than it answers.  Such as....

 

1) How did the Salt River team know to post Burdi to their roster?

 

2) Dustin Morse made the official announcement online, sans Burdi.  Exactly when was he officially removed from the remaining spot?... and more importantly, why?

 

3) If the three pitchers that did make the cut are "serious candidates to be in Mpls. soon", where does that leave "only one of several candidates", Nick Burdi?

 

 

http://www.startribu.../272818871.html

 

I think you are reading far more into this than is necessary.My guess is that this boils down to a communications goof up and someone jumped the gun.


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 06:02 AM

I'm disappointed Adam Brett Walker didn't make the cut. Despite his flaws - He has played in more games than any prospect over the last 2 years (in the Twins system) and has yet to be thrown a bone by the Twins organization. No promotions either year (2013 & 2014). Mid Season and Post Season All Star each of the last 2 years. 2013 MWL League Topps MVP. Led MWL and FSL leagues in Home Runs; RBIs; and Total Bases each of the last 2 years. Stays Healthy - Plays Hard - Has won a regular season league championship each of his 3 professional years and has made the playoffs respectively each of those years. Still No Bone.

All Star Game MVP - Home Run Derby Champion. 22 more RBI than the closest teammate. 14 more Home Runs than the closest teammate. Still No Bone. I love Kepler and I understand he is on the 40 man roster, but he is hitting .258 and Walker is hitting .244! Kepler has 54 RBI and Walker has 40 more RBI at 94. Kepler has scored 50 times and Walker has scored 74 times despite getting on base significantly less based on OBP. If Walker would have had Keplers complete stats this year, he would have been dropped of the prospect radar. You know that's true. Throw the Man a Bone Twins. He deserves that 7th spot.

ABW has a lot more work to do than most prospects, and he's not a 40 man candidate yet as well.I'd add he's not in AA either, and AFL players tend to be AA (though I get that there are exceptions).While I can see the merits of promoting him last season, I see absolutely no reason for him to have earned it this year.He's got some pretty big holes in his game that need adjusting, and High A has exposed that more and more.If anything, it shows that the Twins weren't wrong in letting him play a full season in the MWL.He has to work on his contact issues, and those are already pretty severe.It doesn't get any easier in AA


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 08:17 AM

I'd also like it to be Wimmers.....since they need to figure out where he really is and gather more data.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 08:36 AM

I'd also like it to be Wimmers.....since they need to figure out where he really is and gather more data.

 

Perhaps they have seen enough of Burdi to know he is good and are thinking of pursuing this strategy.

 

It would be disappointing if it was someone other than these two.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 08:39 AM

Perhaps they have seen enough of Burdi to know he is good and are thinking of pursuing this strategy.

 

It would be disappointing if it was someone other than these two.

 

 

Well yes, those two, and Zach Jones should also have a shot, if it's a reliever for that fourth slot.  Assuming he's fully healthy now, he's one that can clearly use the innings.

 

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 09:12 AM

ABW has a lot more work to do than most prospects, and he's not a 40 man candidate yet as well.I'd add he's not in AA either, and AFL players tend to be AA (though I get that there are exceptions).While I can see the merits of promoting him last season, I see absolutely no reason for him to have earned it this year.He's got some pretty big holes in his game that need adjusting, and High A has exposed that more and more.If anything, it shows that the Twins weren't wrong in letting him play a full season in the MWL.He has to work on his contact issues, and those are already pretty severe. 

 

It doesn't get any easier in AA

 

The pitching quality definitely improves in AA, but the FSL park conditions make for the worst possible minor league in terms of run production and home run production and next to worst in hits/game, the former 2 areas are where Walker excels most.  The Cedar Rapids park in the Midwest League was an absolute launching pad compared to Hammond Stadium in Fort Myers, yet ABW is close to matching his 2013 HR total. By contrast the Eastern League ranks near the middle for runs per game and hits per game, and is right in the middle for HR/game.  I'd say there's at least a decent chance that Walker can actually increase his overall production in the EL, particularly with the power-packed lineup that projects to start out the season in New Britain.  No doubt, the frightening, and steadily increasing K rate will be telling in the long run, but Walker has these other areas to consider that could mitigate some of Walker's main underlying problem to his game.

 

Baseball America has an excellent mathematical analysis on park factors and aggregate minor league variations from league to league in terms of offense:

 

http://www.baseballa...13/2614870.html

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