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#21 birdwatcher

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:38 AM

I'd wait until the message gets through his thick hair to stop pulling the ball and slap it the other way. Once that's accomplished, we can send him off grumbling about the Twins Way for the proverbial bag of baseballs.;)

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#22 TheDean

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:45 AM

Everybody should be on the block for the right price but I don't understand the desire to trade Dozier.

 

Do some of you want the Twins to be in rebuilding mode eternally? Because that's essentially what you're advocating by suggesting the Twins should trade a young-ish cost-controlled player who is way above average.

 

Totally agree with this.  I also think it's interesting that TD can have discussions about signing FA SS for 3 years, while also talking about trading away Dozier.  I mean, I guess it just shows that we all have different opinions of our middle infield and the overall state of the rebuild.  I think both trade/sign views are a bit extreme.  In reality, there's no way we don't see a performance drop from the MI if Dozier got traded.  Dozier>Escobar and Santana>>the rest.  On the other hand, Escobar and Santana = FA SS performance , and they're cost-controlled.  I think the MI is actually a slight strong-suit for now, but not so strong that you can trade from it.

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:48 AM

Everybody should be on the block for the right price but I don't understand the desire to trade Dozier.

 

Do some of you want the Twins to be in rebuilding mode eternally? Because that's essentially what you're advocating by suggesting the Twins should trade a young-ish cost-controlled player who is way above average.

 

Yeah, it seems like most are frustrated with how long the Twins have been a 90 loss team.Yet we want to flip Dozier for presumebly prospects?We traded Revere and Span two years ago and Meyer and May are just seeing the show. Worley was up right away I guess, but I think the haul in that deal was May.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:56 AM

Yeah.  I'm definitely not a fan of this idea.  Dozier seems to be a part of future.  I think everyone has given enough reasons given his numbers and status as a crowd favorite.  

 

Also, August would definitely not be the time to make this trade.  The haul would probably be bigger in the offseason.  I'd rather they explored an extension with Dozier to try to buy out his arb years and possibly one or two free agent years rather than exploring a trade.  That's my personal opinion, at least.  

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#25 Monkeypaws

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:06 AM

Everybody should be on the block for the right price but I don't understand the desire to trade Dozier.

 

Do some of you want the Twins to be in rebuilding mode eternally? Because that's essentially what you're advocating by suggesting the Twins should trade a young-ish cost-controlled player who is way above average.

 

Well said - "sell high" means selling someone who is actually playing well. Those are the pieces we should be trying to keep.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:44 AM

A deal at this time of year would make little to no sense.What could be received in return would be much higher in the off season because any player on the 40 man rosters have to clear waivers to be traded.I would only be willing to trade him for a ML ready guys.I am always willing to see what is out there, but I do not see a clear replacement ready right now.He is a top notch fielder and is a threat with the bat.I do feel some overrate him, but on a good team he would be a solid 7-9 hitter, not a 2-3 like he has been. 


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 10:51 AM

I agree with the earlier posts; there's no good reason to trade Dozier.  Twins fans and Sabrmatricians (sp?) tend to overvalue Dozier, but there's no good reason to trade him for less than a true #1 or #2 starter or #4 hitter and he isn't worth that. We really don't have an in-house replacement for him and losing him thins out an already very thin lineup. The loss of his bat isn't worth the likely return.

 

Having said that, he shouldn't be hitting 2 in the order, or anywhere below 6 for that matter. He's a strong defender and on offense he's a nice complimentary piece on a good team built around 2 or 3 others.  The Twins' problem is that we don't have the 2 or 3 others unless you count Mauer as one of those players. We need at least one or two more big bats for the middle of the order. Vargas and/or Arcia may be one or more of those but we're a long way from knowing if that's the case. Another year with Dozier batting 2 (or 3 as some have suggested) means another year of struggling offensively.   


#28 clutterheart

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 10:53 AM

As I say to everyone wanting a hypothetical trade:

 

To Who?  For What?

 

Who would the Giants give up for him?


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 11:03 AM

Still don't see why creating a hole going into next season is a good strategy. If the younger guys continue to develop and force themselves into the majors, Dozier's value won't change a whole lot.

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#30 Shane Wahl

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 11:30 AM

I want to see Dozier batting 5th between Vargas and Arcia next year after Sano arrives. For right now, with Santana leading off it is absurd to not put him after Mauer.


#31 gunnarthor

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 11:55 AM

As I say to everyone wanting a hypothetical trade:

 

To Who?  For What?

 

Who would the Giants give up for him?

I don't think SF would be an ideal trading partner.  There #1 prospect is currently hurt and their #2 was just drafted so can't be traded for a year.  They are also an old (modestly) old team without a lot of obvious young cost-controlled guys to give back in a trade.

 

From the Twins perspective, I think you'd want to see if the Orioles would make a package around Bundy or the Nats make a package around Gioltio or the Cards make a package around Taveras.  But I think those guys are untradeable from their respective clubs points of view so it wouldn't happen.  And the Twins shouldn't give up Dozier for an AJ Cole grouped package either.  So I don't think he'll get moved.  But that's the type of return you'd want to consider.  


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:01 PM

I disagree with the premise that his value will never be higher and I completely disagree that it would be better for the Twins to sell now.

 

As mentioned before, his BABIP and K% both point to his average being a bit lower than it should be at this point. He's a low cost player with years of team control and the numbers he is posting now (which are still solid) may actually be a bit low. His value absolutely could be higher.

 

Second, I'm not so ready to hand the gig over to Rosario, Polanco or any of the other candidates. You risk creating another void in the middle infield after FINALLY finding someone who can perform above average. Yes, we've seen a great season from Escobar, but I still think he's a very good utility player on the next contending Twins team and I have even less faith in Nunez ever being a fulltime second baseman.

 

Dozier is exactly the type of player the next contending Twins team needs. He's young enough and under team control for long enough to be a part of the next contending team. Trading him now would delay the rebuild, in my opinion.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:05 PM

Alright.Here's my primary beef with Dozier.He's 27 years old with nearly 1400 AB's under his belt, yet he can't seem to get it through his thick hair that his job is to facilitate runs, not yank homers.Yes, he can jump all over the ball up & in.But everyone knows it now.He gets a steady diet of pitches out over the plate and still tries to turn on everything, even with runners in scoring position!It's happened repeatedly all season and I'm done..280 with half the HR's & K's, he'd be my favorite player.But as he is now, can't stand him!

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#34 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:11 PM

Alright. Here's my primary beef with Dozier. He's 27 years old with nearly 1400 AB's under his belt, yet he can't seem to get it through his thick hair that his job is to facilitate runs, not yank homers. Yes, he can jump all over the ball up & in. But everyone knows it now. He gets a steady diet of pitches out over the plate and still tries to turn on everything, even with runners in scoring position! It's happened repeatedly all season and I'm done. .280 with half the HR's & K's, he'd be my favorite player. But as he is now, can't stand him!

Dozier needs to be the best player he can be, not a slap-happy oppo hitter just because Gardy has a chapter in his book titled "Play Second, Hit Second".

Should Dozier try to pull every ball? No, probably not... And I doubt he continues to try, as his best months came when he wasn't an extreme pull hitter. Sometimes guys go into slumps. It doesn't mean the league figured them out. It means they're in a slump.

#35 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:18 PM

Alright.Here's my primary beef with Dozier.He's 27 years old with nearly 1400 AB's under his belt, yet he can't seem to get it through his thick hair that his job is to facilitate runs, not yank homers.Yes, he can jump all over the ball up & in.But everyone knows it now.He gets a steady diet of pitches out over the plate and still tries to turn on everything, even with runners in scoring position!It's happened repeatedly all season and I'm done..280 with half the HR's & K's, he'd be my favorite player.But as he is now, can't stand him!

 

You mean like leading the league in runs scored? Yeah, that would be Brian Dozier. 

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:43 PM

Dozier must have been reading TD, he just singled. His second hit in his last 28 AB's. (Per Bert). I doubt you can have a .280, 20 HR version of Dozier. He does not have the natural power to do both. He can up his average by spreading the ball around, but there goes the HR's. Or he can keep jerking everything, and if they keep throwing him stuff up and in, he can get his 20. In either scenario, if he is hitting above the 6 hole it's an indication that your teams offense is not going to be anything to get to excited about. The caveat is #2 but he really doesn't fit that slot well. He would have to reinvent himself as the .280 Dozier. The good news: he is a very solid second baseman, makes all the plays and more, and doesn't seem to take a play off. And should easily be in consideration for best hair in the AL.
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#37 SgtSchmidt11

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:56 PM

 And should easily be in consideration for best hair in the AL.

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#38 snepp

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:58 PM

*swoon*

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#39 snepp

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:13 PM

And no, no trading Dozier, I like him too much.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:58 PM

Trade Dozier ? The goal for every hitter is to produce runs. Dozier produces more runs than any other Twin.I doubt any team can trade us a player that will be equal to what Dozier does for the Twins.

... and next year Dozier will be better:)