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#1 mudcat14

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 09:09 PM

He'll never be worth more than he is right now.With Santana, Escobar, Nunez, Florimon, Polanco & Rosario all able to step in, he's not that difficult to replace.Hell, even Levi Michael is finally playing like a 1st rounder!Get Dozier through waivers and see what the Giants or somebody will offer.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 09:14 PM

Dozier would never get through waivers, and while he probably has good value, it's not nearly as high as Twins fans would like to think.  

 

Besides, his .250 BABIP and strong 18% K rate would suggest he actually could hit and get on base much, much better than he is now, meaning his value absolutely could go up.

Edited by nicksaviking, 19 August 2014 - 09:16 PM.

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#3 Shane Wahl

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 09:32 PM

Nunez is not a replacement. Escobar still has utility guy written all over him. Rosario is mediocre, at the moment, in AA. If Santana moves over, then there is a hole at shortstop. Florimon will never happen again. Polanco is still finding his way in AA.

 

No trading of Dozier.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 09:48 PM

No.

 

What the Twins have been doing - trading older players that will not contribute to this team in the future - is the right move. But I don't want to trade a player who actually has a chance to contribute to their success in the future.


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 09:50 PM

I like Dozier a lot.I thought he did an admirable job as the leadoff hitter, but he really isn't a good fit as the #2 guy.He has flattened out in the second half and could have been served by a few more games off earlier.I do think there is some bad luck involved in the low BA, but he pulls so much and hits so many balls in the air, so I think he needs to adjust some more.I would like to see him hit lower in a good lineup where the good power and good baserunning could be put to better use. 

 

As Shane noted, there aren't any sure things behind him.I think maybe next year, he might finally figure out how to raise that BA while still getting his share (and then some) of extra base hits. 

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 10:10 PM

if you are going with the youth movement, I think Dozier would play, if you give me a CF Prospect and a Power Hitting Outfield prospect, I pull the trigger,..especially if you get me a catcher too


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 10:32 PM

Trade Dozier ?A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush ? Trade Dozier ?You probably want TR to retire and Gardy fired too :)


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 10:37 PM

He's not good enough to fetch premium value, and not bad enough to be cost prohibitive.  It makes little sense to trade him, when really the guys behind him are less proven and might establish themselves at other positions (say outfield or short).

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 12:11 AM

No.  While I fear that he will never hit above .250 for a season, I just don't want to add him the the fantasy team of Morneau, Hunter, Cuddyer, Ortiz, Gomez, Loshe, Garza, Span, Ramos, ..... et al - (and I left out Revere on purpose).  you fill in the rest.  

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 04:54 AM

If someone blew me away, I'd probably trade him. That said, I think the .230 BA is more of a fluke personally. I think he can hit in the .260-.270 range, and his minor league numbers indicate that. So in my opinion, his value can go up. He's also still making the major league minimum, which is very valuable. If some team knocks our socks off, by all means, let him go, but I don't see that happening.

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 05:30 AM

He is still cost controlled and a fan favorite. It's not going to happen.

Plus I would have to find another Twin with amazing hair for my pic, and i'm not liking Arcia's...

Edited by SgtSchmidt11, 20 August 2014 - 05:31 AM.

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:04 AM

He is still cost controlled and a fan favorite. It's not going to happen.

 

Exactly. Nobody is going to buy an Escobar, Nunez, Florimon, Polanco or Rosario t-shirt. (Ithink they would consider a Santana t-shirt, however, if not for the fact they already have one from the previous Santana in the back of their closet.)


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:11 AM

Add me to the no list as well.

 

Everyone has a price.Mike Trout would be moved for Kershaw and Puig. But in the confines of reality, I see no reason to trade him. 

 

I disagree that his value will never be this high.If we give him a 6 year deal for $30M and/or his batting average improves which it likely will (BABIP pointed out on another post), I think his value would go up.

 

But I don't think we have a replacement in house.Rosario is not going to play 2B in the big leagues. Pedro is not an option, and I am not willing to call Santana and Polanco the middle infielders. The odds of the Twins finding both good enough defenders there seems unlikely to me.

 

So sit back, and enjoy 20-20+ and very good defense at 2B and lets not take that for granted.He is the best 2B since Knobby and will likely have more longevity than Chuck.

Edited by tobi0040, 20 August 2014 - 07:12 AM.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:17 AM

Every year we see teams in the hunt as the buyers.  I've always thought there were opportunities for teams that weren't in the hunt to make some deals for the next year.  What would the Twins have to give up to get Yu Darvish (who allegedly cleared waivers and has a very favorable contract)?  


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:32 AM

Every year we see teams in the hunt as the buyers.  I've always thought there were opportunities for teams that weren't in the hunt to make some deals for the next year.  What would the Twins have to give up to get Yu Darvish (who allegedly cleared waivers and has a very favorable contract)?  

 

I really don't see a fit for Yu. They would certainly require Sano or Buxton and neither is at a high point right.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:41 AM

I think Ryan should gauge interest in the offseason but the return would have to be pretty high.  He's been about a 4 WAR guy the last two years and is just now entering his arb years so he'll be pretty cheap yet.  

 

I do think that it makes sense to move him if you can find a good return b/c the team does seem to have a few good options behind him - Santana, Rosario, Polanco (who I really like), Michael.  But the return would have to be better than the Span/Revere moves and I'm not sure they'd find a team to bite on that.  

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:17 AM

I think Ryan should gauge interest in the offseason but the return would have to be pretty high.  He's been about a 4 WAR guy the last two years and is just now entering his arb years so he'll be pretty cheap yet.  

 

I do think that it makes sense to move him if you can find a good return b/c the team does seem to have a few good options behind him - Santana, Rosario, Polanco (who I really like), Michael.  But the return would have to be better than the Span/Revere moves and I'm not sure they'd find a team to bite on that.  

 

Yep this, and I'd add that none of those guys behind him (minus Santana) are ready for an extended trial, much less sure things...

 

I'd want a couple of top 100 guys and a date with Jessica Alba.No one bites on that.I'd have a better chance with Alba, which is less than .00000001%

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#18 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:18 AM

Everybody should be on the block for the right price but I don't understand the desire to trade Dozier.

 

Do some of you want the Twins to be in rebuilding mode eternally? Because that's essentially what you're advocating by suggesting the Twins should trade a young-ish cost-controlled player who is way above average.

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#19 mike wants wins

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:20 AM

Not a fan of this idea.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:25 AM

 

 

I'd want a couple of top 100 guys and a date with Jessica Alba.No one bites on that.I'd have a better chance with Alba, which is less than .00000001%

I'd hold out for a date with Yvonne Strahovski instead.

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