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#1 JB_Iowa

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 11:58 AM

I know many of us feel cheered by a few more prospects playing and look forward to better days.

 

But I just realized that as of today (August 16), the Twins have a record of 54-66.

 

Guess what their 2013 record was after August 16's game?  54-66

 

Maybe from now until the end of the year, it will go better.

 

But as of today, there is nothing about that record that is very cheery.

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 12:08 PM

Thanks for making my day, JB!Actually, that must mean the '13 Twins won a grand total of 12 games for the remainder of the season?Wow.The schedule is a bit daunting, if we consider the Tigers and Indians to be contenders.I think the Tigers are, but the Indians aren't. 

 

The Twins should have a lineup of Santana, Dozier, Mauer, Vargas, Plouffe, Arcia, Suzuki, Escobar and Parmelee/Schafer at their disposal.I don't think this compares with what was left in August and September last year.Further, the rotation of Gibson, Hughes, May, Milone, Nolasco looks much better than what the Twins were sending out late last season.I think 73 wins is doable, but not much more than that.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 12:20 PM

Thanks for making my day, JB!Actually, that must mean the '13 Twins won a grand total of 12 games for the remainder of the season?Wow.The schedule is a bit daunting, if we consider the Tigers and Indians to be contenders.I think the Tigers are, but the Indians aren't. 

 

The Twins should have a lineup of Santana, Dozier, Mauer, Vargas, Plouffe, Arcia, Suzuki, Escobar and Parmelee/Schafer at their disposal.I don't think this compares with what was left in August and September last year.Further, the rotation of Gibson, Hughes, May, Milone, Nolasco looks much better than what the Twins were sending out late last season.I think 73 wins is doable, but not much more than that.

 

 

I do think last year was purely a disaster from this point on.  But it was kind of jarring to me to realize that the records were identical.

 

The Twins should be able to do better than those 12 wins in the next month+.  At least the young guys don't have a really high target to surpass.

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 12:33 PM

Helps to explain my lack of excitement for this years team. I mean the Royals are here and I was down watching the wake surfing on the Mississippi River, not even thinking about attending a Twins game :confused::mad::whacky028:


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 11:30 AM

I know many of us feel cheered by a few more prospects playing and look forward to better days.

 

But I just realized that as of today (August 16), the Twins have a record of 54-66.

 

Guess what their 2013 record was after August 16's game?  54-66

 

Maybe from now until the end of the year, it will go better.

 

But as of today, there is nothing about that record that is very cheery.

To me this year at this point is a lot more "cheery" than of last season.  We have players like Santana, Arcia, Vargas, May, etc to look forward to getting playing time.  Much, much more to look forward to, take a look.

 

Last year's starting lineup on 8/17

 

Dozier

Mauer

Willingham

Doumit

WIlkin Ramirez

Plouffe

Hermann

Clete Thomas

Floriman

 

SP Albers.

 

8/17 this year:

 

Santana 

Dozier

Mauer

Vargas

Arcia

Suzuki

Parmalee

Escobar

Schaefer

 

SP Milone

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 11:40 AM

To me this year at this point is a lot more "cheery" than of last season.  We have players like Santana, Arcia, Vargas, May, etc to look forward to getting playing time.  Much, much more to look forward to, take a look.

 

Last year's starting lineup on 8/17

 

Dozier

Mauer

Willingham

Doumit

WIlkin Ramirez

Plouffe

Hermann

Clete Thomas

Floriman

 

SP Albers.

 

8/17 this year:

 

Santana 

Dozier

Mauer

Vargas

Arcia

Suzuki

Parmalee

Escobar

Schaefer

 

SP Milone

Perspective is always helpful, despite the similar records.Thanks.

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#7 Mike Sixel

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 12:37 PM

But many of those guys have been on the team for months, and this is the record.......I have hope, but it isn't like the results are all that encouraging. They should be better than last year, but that's not much of an accomplishment. Some days I look at the team, and feel hope. Other days I look, and I see the same bad, awful, base running and defense and record. Really not sure what to think. 

 

And, it doesn't look much better to start next year, with no Sano or Buxton....at the beginning of the year at least.

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 01:15 PM

But many of those guys have been on the team for months, and this is the record.......I have hope, but it isn't like the results are all that encouraging. They should be better than last year, but that's not much of an accomplishment. Some days I look at the team, and feel hope. Other days I look, and I see the same bad, awful, base running and defense and record. Really not sure what to think. 

 

And, it doesn't look much better to start next year, with no Sano or Buxton....at the beginning of the year at least.

And what's your point?  The staff is better, the lineup is better, there is more young players trying to make an impression and had a one-up for a starting job next year and if they play at the same clip they have all season, they finish with 73 wins, almost an 11% increase on last season.

 

You might see a similiar product than last year, but I see a younger team with a better staff and a much more fun to watch product.

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 03:22 PM

The pitching staff may be "better", but it is still the worst starting rotation in the AL, and the 2nd worse in baseball (the only rotation with a higher ERA plays half its games a mile high). 

They have also gone, something like 340+ games without a 10+ K performance by a starting pitcher.

 

Until they either:

A) Bring in some MUCH better pitchers. Hughes is a good start, but as the overall staff numbers show, he does little to improve the staff as a whole. 

 

or

 

B: Bring in a field staff that can "do more with less", a la Oakland's smoke and mirror act to somehow get pretty good results out of Tommy Milone's pedestrian stuff, or likewise for Vance Worley in both Philly and Pittsburgh. 

 

This team is not going anywhere meaningful anytime soon. 

 

Yeah, it's great that we have good prospects. But prospects don't always pan out, and even now our best pitching prospect is going on 25 years old, and is still not good enough to make the, arguably, worst pitching staff in all of baseball. 

Edited by Mr. Brooks, 17 August 2014 - 03:23 PM.

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 03:28 PM

IMO, if you don't win more games, you're not a better team.  This isn't Olympic Figure Skating...you don't get style points.

 

YMMV.

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 04:15 PM

We are clearly superior in a rebuilding scenario. Last year we were starting Willingham, Doumit, Herrmann, Thomas, and Florimon. And not to mention, Andrew Albers. Yikes.

 

When I look at our current lineup, the only guy I see who shouldn't be there is Schafer, but that's much better than 2013.

 

Now, if our top prospects could stop getting hurt, then we'd be even further ahead in the rebuilding process!


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 05:24 PM

IMO, if you don't win more games, you're not a better team. 

 

They'll almost certainly win more games this season, as last year's team tanked in epic fashion.


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 05:59 PM

Another way to view this is our runs scored vs. runs allowed. All info is through 122 games.

 

2012: 538 vs. 627 = -89

2013: 487 vs. 555 = -68

2014: 515 vs. 556 = -41

 

The Twins pitching doesn't seem to have improved overall but the offense is slightly better.

 

Anyone know where I can check 2013 team pitching stats through August 18th?

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 07:06 PM

Sept '13 record 8 - 20.But they actually one the first 4 games!Total collapse!


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 07:36 PM

This years team is a lot different. All the prospects are a year closer and the rotation actually looks like we have some major league pitchers heading into 2015.

Hughes and Gibson are both gonna be very solid, Nolasco is just fine as well if he returns to career norms.

 

Milone should be fine (even after today) and we have a whole lot of young guys with potential who can take the last spot: May/Meyer/Pino etc.

 

The thing this team is missing the most at this point is a couple bats in the OF, the good news is one is ont he way in Buxton, and the other good news is that finding a solid bat to play in the OF they are the easiest to get in free agency.

 

Plus, Santana, Suzuki, and Vargas at least look like solid options for 2015 as wel.

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 08:24 PM

This years team is a lot different. All the prospects are a year closer

Could have said this part in 2013, or in 2012, or in 2011.... :)

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 08:44 PM

They'll almost certainly win more games this season, as last year's team tanked in epic fashion.

I tend to agree.

Still, they have to finish better to be better, IMO. Counting chickens, unhatched, and all that.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 08:21 AM

the pitching has given up the same number of runs, but is better? I am no mathematician, but that seems suspicious.....

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 08:23 AM

I tend to agree.

Still, they have to finish better to be better, IMO. Counting chickens, unhatched, and all that.

 

That's just it. 

 

The Twins have 40 games left.  Do I expect them to win more than 11 of them?  Yes.  But I would have expected the same thing last year.

 

If they continue winning at their .451 pace, they should win 18 and finish at 73--89.  Can they miss that 90-game loss barrier?  Only time will tell.

 

The big advantage for this team to me is that Mauer seems to be healthy now as opposed to going on the DL with a concussion last year.

 

But I'd like to see this team prove something and win MORE than 18.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 08:57 AM

I think that regardless how horrible exactly 2014 might end up being, the big issue is that 2014 is the fourth horrible season in a row. 

 

And a lesson learned in 2014:

 

- Spending money will not make much difference in the bottom line for this team.Because that they did.

 

To be added with the lessons learned from previous seasons:

 

- Replacing Bill Smith was not the solution of this team's woes (2012-2014)

- Jerry, Stelly & the chairs the coaches were sitting on were not the reason of this team's woes (2013-2014)

- The individuals heading the Twins' medical and training team were not the reason of this team's woes (2013-2014)

 

Eager to see what will happen after this season and whether the Twins will think that point solutions here or there, or throwing $ to the problem, might not be exactly what is needed to right this ship...

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