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#21 kab21

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 06:58 PM

It may be that Parm only gets at-bats for three weeks. It is possible that someone now in the minor leagues will get outfield at-bats. The team will need to determine whether they have to go outside the organization for next year.

Who?Hicks?Rosario?Buxton?

 

Hicks is the only one that is even an option this year imo.

I look forward to the day that a pitching prospect is truly blocked by good pitchers.


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 07:33 PM

Another nice pickup by Ryan. Damn, the dude can wheel and deal. I had given up hope on getting anything for Willingham.

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 07:34 PM

The moves TR is making is reminding me of the late 90's moves he made that helped bring a nice run of years, all be it no world series rings.Trading away vets for young fringe prospects.Remember trading Roberto Kelly for Mays, or Dave Hollins for Ortiz.We are stock piling pitching prospects throughout the system, which can always be traded for position players in the future if needed, but really are needed for the depth because it seems no starter can go a year without missing at least a week here or there.

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 07:52 PM

Who? Hicks? Rosario? Buxton?

Hicks is the only one that is even an option this year imo.


I would assume Hicks is up as soon as Rochester is out of the playoffs.
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 07:57 PM

Here is a list of 2014 Twins no longer in the organization and their ages:

Kendrys Morales (31)
Sam Fuld (32)
Jason Kubel (32)
Darrin Mastroianni (28)
Jason Bartlett (34)
Kevin Correia (33)
Josh Willingham (35)

This is the right direction to go. It might be bumpy for a while, but the kids need to play. I would have appreciated such moves a year ago.


They didn't have the kids ready to make such moves possible last year.

Timing was finally right and depth was there to start moving on from the veterans.

I still think it is quite underrated how well Ryan has rebuilt the depth of the organization and these recent moves are the fruit of that. They can start being more strategic rather than constantly scrambling just to field a representative team. Obviously not there yet but moving in the right direction.
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 08:24 PM

Another nice trade. Doesn't fix the world, but a winning trade nonetheless. Impressed they got a player for him, frankly.
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#27 Shane Wahl

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 08:51 PM

This is exactly the kind of guy to be happy about in exchange for Willingham. Great job shedding some aging players this year!

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 09:18 PM

Willingham deserves a shot at the playoffs, hope he and the royals can make it.

Nice get in return, maybe he becomes the next Pino/Swarzak type for this team which does have some nice value at a minimum contract.
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 09:36 PM

This is a better return than I would have expected at the trade deadline, let alone in August. Ryan has cleared a lot of chaff and bolstered the pitching depth too. Really nice.

This sums up my thinking as well.

 

Who needs a stinking trade deadline when you can get real live prospecrts like this for guys that are on their final legs here.


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 09:50 PM

As much as we are not seeing it at Target Field, the minor league system has really been built back to the normal TR standards
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:30 PM

Wow you are all acting like this is a God send move and Ryan has done an amazing job this season. These trades have been good. Let's not get carried away with the "normal tr standards" stuff. He's still part of the reason they are in this mess.

Anyway. I'm happy for Willingham and the royals. I'll be pulling for them the rest of the season. It will be nice to have fresh blood in the playoffs. They have the pitching to do well, and Willingham will help them score runs. I thought this would be a good fit a few weeks back.
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:44 PM

Wow you are all acting like this is a God send move and Ryan has done an amazing job this season. These trades have been good. Let's not get carried away with the "normal tr standards" stuff. He's still part of the reason they are in this mess.

Anyway. I'm happy for Willingham and the royals. I'll be pulling for them the rest of the season. It will be nice to have fresh blood in the playoffs. They have the pitching to do well, and Willingham will help them score runs. I thought this would be a good fit a few weeks back.

I think Ryan has done pretty damn well overall, I give him an A- for the trades he has been able to make this year, and a A- for the trades he has made in the past 2 years to help bolster this teams future (see: May/Meyer) and a B or B+ for the Free agents he was able to bring in this year. Hughes has been a great success and will be a key moving forward, the Suzuki signing was perfect this year (the extension is TBD but still a very low risk move IMO) Snagging Fuld and then flipping him was great. I am still a fan of the Nolasco signing, hopefully he can be healthy from here on out and earn his contract. The Pelfrey signing is a bust at this point, but I think he has a shot to be at least a bullpen arm for us (a high upside one potentially at that) and its not like he is breaking the bank.

 

I am very excited to see what TR can do this off-season, he has a decent amount of cash and less theoretical holes to fill as the rotation has 7 or 8 guys ready for the start of 2015 (Hughes, Gibson, Milone, Nolasco, Meyer, May, Pino etc) and SS, catcher, 3B and CF all are have or have someone on the way very quickly. Just need to figure out how to get a nice corner OF in the mix.

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:50 AM

Hopefully Hammer Time happens frequently in KC. I'd love to see Hammer help get the Royals the AL Central crown over Detroit. Anyone but Detroit. Well, anyone except the 3itchSox.

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#34 troyhobbs

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 05:24 AM

I think these trades are pretty fair, it's nice to shed the contracts and to get something for guys that were on their way out but I don't see anyone that they've acquired as being major players in the twins revival.

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 06:41 AM

I like the move. I was hoping more lower minors, but this kid has a ceiling and is more of a buy low type guy. Trevor May was a buy low guy, and bad debut aside, he looks promising. Worst case, another solid option. Best case, an above average starter. I'll take it.

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 06:43 AM

Don't know if it has been said explicitly here, but Jason Adam is not currently on a 40-man roster.  However, as a 2010 high school pick, he will need to be added to the 40-man by November or thus be eligible for selection in the 2014 Rule 5 draft.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 07:30 AM

I like the move. I was hoping more lower minors, but this kid has a ceiling and is more of a buy low type guy. Trevor May was a buy low guy, and bad debut aside, he looks promising. Worst case, another solid option. Best case, an above average starter. I'll take it.

Trevor May was quite a bit better -- one year removed from being a #50-#70 ranked prospect in all MLB, control issues but a K/9 that suggested potential bullpen dominance even if he didn't make it as a starter.

 

Jason Adam feels like more of a Sean Gilmartin type -- modest peripherals, got hit hard in the minors (Gilmartin at AAA, Adam at AA).  Given his right-handedness, Adam seems like an even longer shot to make it, but hopefully he can get things straightened out and take over as a depth guy in place of our AAA graduates.  Fine return for an expiring contract.

 

Will be interesting to see where we send him (AA or AAA) and in what role.

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 07:35 AM

Don't know if it has been said explicitly here, but Jason Adam is not currently on a 40-man roster.  However, as a 2010 high school pick, he will need to be added to the 40-man by November or thus be eligible for selection in the 2014 Rule 5 draft.

 

Yeah this team is going to have some interesting 40 man decisions this year and the years after,  They have so many bullpen arms that appear close to Major league ready that I wonder if they can trade some of the guys they already have to make more room.  There are going to be some tough decisions on the farm in the future.

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 07:47 AM

http://www.baseballa...per-willingham/

 

Baseball America's article goes into pretty good depth on Adam but I'd point out one thing:

 

"Adam’s success or failure is largely tied to his delivery. When he gets too upright in his delivery and gets too mechanical he leaves his fastball up, it straightens up and becomes quite hittable. He has three games of seven or more runs allowed this year and he had five games of seven runs or more allowed last year.

But when he drives off the mound and gets extension, he gets just as much if not more velocity (92-95 mph) and generates good sink on his fastball while locating down in the zone. Adam added a slider this year, although at its best, his downer curveball is more effective and is usable both as a strike early in the count or as a bigger breaker when he’s ahead of hitters."

May had a similar problem when we got him - while tall he pitched short and the ball came in high on a straight plane, letting hitters square up better and/or letting the ball fly out of the zone.  It took a couple years, and repeating AA, but May has gotten a lot better with that.  Perhaps the Twins see a similar tweek in Adam and can turn him into a solid starter.  BA also wrote that "The Twins are getting a great lottery ticket. At his best, Adam shows two plus pitches (his fastball and curveball) as well as an average changeup and a slider that could develop into an average pitch and he does it all with potentially average control."

We have three more seasons where we can stash him in the minors while he works on mechanics/control.  

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 07:55 AM

Trevor May was quite a bit better -- one year removed from being a #50-#70 ranked prospect in all MLB, control issues but a K/9 that suggested potential bullpen dominance even if he didn't make it as a starter.

 

Jason Adam feels like more of a Sean Gilmartin type -- modest peripherals, got hit hard in the minors (Gilmartin at AAA, Adam at AA).  Given his right-handedness, Adam seems like an even longer shot to make it, but hopefully he can get things straightened out and take over as a depth guy in place of our AAA graduates.  Fine return for an expiring contract.

 

Will be interesting to see where we send him (AA or AAA) and in what role.

 

Adam is nothing like the soft tossing Gilmartin.He's more like Pressly (Rule 5), Welker, Pryor, Hoey, etc...Interesting bullpen arm that throws hard but hasn't gotten good results yet.

I look forward to the day that a pitching prospect is truly blocked by good pitchers.




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