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#21 Mike Sixel

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:06 AM

I do agree, no team should need two long RP. If the one gets tired, call up a AAA starter.......

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:14 AM

Not sure they didn't utilize it before.  Deduno and Walters were notable out of options guys, but DeVries, Diamond, Hernandez, Worley, Hendriks, Albers, Gibson, etc. all had minor league options remaining in 2012-2013 (and Hernandez, Hendriks, and Albers all had one left for 2014 too, plus Gibson of course).

 

I think they just have better pitchers for a change.

 

I agree they had these guys, but for the most part, they weren't being utilized on the shuttle plan.  Carrying the extra pitcher or two was the norm for much of 2012 and 2013.

 

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:27 AM

Why does a team need two long guys? I like DeDuno and all, but it's time for the Twins to move on. He doesn't profile as a starter for this team, and doesn't look like a real great BP option. Time to let him find an NL team and wish him luck.

Swarzak and Deduno have definitely felt redundant for much of the season, although I'm not sure Deduno is the one to cast off now.  He makes the league minimum and at least got interesting results as a starter as recently as last year.  Swarzak could make close to $2 mil this offseason, and does not appear to have the trust or ability to be anything other than a mop-up reliever.  I guess they both could be offseason cut candidates, I suppose.


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:34 AM

I agree they had these guys, but for the most part, they weren't being utilized on the shuttle plan.  Carrying the extra pitcher or two was the norm for much of 2012 and 2013.

Perhaps, but the Twins didn't really have a need for "shuttle guys" in 2012-2013.  They were desperately giving extended auditions to 3, 4, or even 5 starters at a time.

 

And I think we've been carrying an extra pitcher for most of 2014 too, even with the shuttle plan (Guerrier?  Deduno AND Swarzak?).


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:36 AM

Why does a team need two long guys? I like DeDuno and all, but it's time for the Twins to move on. He doesn't profile as a starter for this team, and doesn't look like a real great BP option. Time to let him find an NL team and wish him luck.

Because they don't have 5 starters that can go 5+ innings on a regular bases.

 

Every starter will have a bad outing every now and then and get lit up, but the Twins' will have 2 do it almost every time through the rotation.So they need 2 long men as Gardy's policy is to rest a pitcher 1 day for every inning pitched.


#26 Mike Sixel

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:36 AM

You can't execute a shuttle plan, if all your RP are old and out of options.......

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:41 AM

Perhaps, but the Twins didn't really have a need for "shuttle guys" in 2012-2013.  They were desperately giving extended auditions to 3, 4, or even 5 starters at a time.

 

And I think we've been carrying an extra pitcher for most of 2014 too, even with the shuttle plan (Guerrier?  Deduno AND Swarzak?).

 

The days the Twins have rostered 13 and 14 pitchers has been cut back quite a bit, pretty sure it hasn't been a majority of the time.And there shouldn't be a "need" for shuttle guys, they should just be there at the ready as a rule of course, to avoid most of the oft-embarrassing moments with a thin bench that comes from guys getting dinged up short-term and being unavailable for a few days.  

 

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:43 AM

You can't execute a shuttle plan, if all your RP are old and out of options.......

 

Thankyou.  And part of that comes from delaying their progress/failing to generate proper progress through the minors.  I think the Twins have tried to address this issue through the draft with all of the college RP arms drafted of late.

 

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 11:05 AM

I'm ok with a Willingham trade, trading Burton, Swarzak, DL for Arcia, I don't really see anyone else I'd be ok with them loosing.Vargas could go back to the minors but he's been hitting so I'd rather avoid doing that.Deduno has been lights out as a reliever.He had given up 9 runs in 41.33 innings before yesterdays clunker in relief.He currently has a 2.74 relief era and 14 runs in 44.33 innings.And he has 43 strikeouts in those 44.33 innings. 


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 11:17 AM

Because they don't have 5 starters that can go 5+ innings on a regular bases.

 

Every starter will have a bad outing every now and then and get lit up, but the Twins' will have 2 do it almost every time through the rotation.So they need 2 long men as Gardy's policy is to rest a pitcher 1 day for every inning pitched.

Twins have only had 1 start less than 5 IP each of the last two weeks (Darnell and May).

 

For the season, by my count the Twins have had 22 starts of less than 5 IP in 116 games, or just under 20%.  That's an average of once per turn.

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 12:13 PM

I'm ok with a Willingham trade, trading Burton, Swarzak, DL for Arcia, I don't really see anyone else I'd be ok with them loosing.Vargas could go back to the minors but he's been hitting so I'd rather avoid doing that.Deduno has been lights out as a reliever.He had given up 9 runs in 41.33 innings before yesterdays clunker in relief.He currently has a 2.74 relief era and 14 runs in 44.33 innings.And he has 43 strikeouts in those 44.33 innings. 

 

My gut tells me multiple guys have already passed through waivers.We never heard anything about Correia making it through.The FO keeps info close to the vest, so a trade might take place soon.


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 12:25 PM

Twins have only had 1 start less than 5 IP each of the last two weeks (Darnell and May).

 

For the season, by my count the Twins have had 22 starts of less than 5 IP in 116 games, or just under 20%.  That's an average of once per turn.

 

Sure, ruin my theory with facts. ;)


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 05:52 PM

My gut tells me multiple guys have already passed through waivers.We never heard anything about Correia making it through.The FO keeps info close to the vest, so a trade might take place soon.

 

I guess I was right - so long Hammer!!


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 06:09 PM

So Hammer is gone, but the question still stands. Who makes room for Nolasco? I would add, does Nolasco return to starting duties? With the money into Nolasco I would guess Pino goes down, and Nolasco starts. But... Maybe Deduno gets DFA'd and Nolasco relieves.

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 06:13 PM

So Hammer is gone, but the question still stands. Who makes room for Nolasco? I would add, does Nolasco return to starting duties? With the money into Nolasco I would guess Pino goes down, and Nolasco starts. But... Maybe Deduno gets DFA'd and Nolasco relieves.

Almost certain that Nolasco will take Pino's spot. Of course, something could happen. The Twins have traded four guys in the past 12 days, somebody else might go. Barring a trade or injury, it will be Nolasco for Pino.

#36 DocBauer

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 07:03 PM

Obviously Mauer takes Hammer's spot.

Question is, does Pino ride the shuttle back to Rochester immediately?

Or does he start again to keep the normal schedule going, then punch his ticket for Nolasco to be activated?

I know Swarzak, Deduno and potentially Pino seem redundant. But fast forward to next season when you have to fill out AAA with Rochester with prospects and a couple solid AAAA fillers for depth, as well as additional competition for the Twins long relief option. By this I mean, simply discarding them might not be a great idea. Further, I don't get the hate on Swarzak. He's been solid in his role, outstanding at it last season. But there are those who seem anxious to kick him aside. I don't get it.
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 07:19 PM

Pino might figure next year, but the Twins have three guys who figure for that role. Pino will have options remaining, which is a benefit for him and the club.

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 07:25 PM

RP'ers with low K/9 rates and 4+ ERA's don't have a lot of value beyond being a warm body that doesn't kill the team.Swarzak might have been outstanding last year but most would attribute that to luck.He is much better than Eyre or Bass or most of the long men that the Twins have had.

 

Pino will be back for the DH'er in a couple of weeks and in September.

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