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#41 DocBauer

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 09:10 PM

I think the game of baseball in generally has regressed to what it was through my experiences in the 70's 80's and early 90's before the steroid era saw weak hitting SS's (Bordick?) hitting 20+ homers. It's reverting back to a game of pitching, speed and defense and situational hitting. A game where 20 HR's is considered good.

And note, when I use terms like regressed and reverting, I don't mean it in a negative fashion. Quite the contrary, I mean it's the beautiful game it's always been instead of a slugfest with what seems like professionals with aluminum bats.

In that world, I DO think Santana providing speed and defense, speed on the bases, gapper power, could be a very valuable and exciting player. That is not to say that will be his ultimate fate, just saying.

Also, when I used Cuddyer and Hunter as FA possibilities for LF in the short term, I did state they were examples, not necessarily the only options. Buxton just won't be ready from day one. SOMEONE has to play LF, and it's the easiest position for the Twins to provide a lineup upgrade with a productive bat.

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#42 DocBauer

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 09:22 PM

In regard to LF long term, in addition to the Santana possibility, you can't discount Walker, though he's a year or so away.

But I don't discount Rosario. This year has been a bit of a throw-away unfortunately. With a strong winter, he might head straight to Rochester next season. Right now, odds are he begins at New Britain before a probably early promotion.

In my opinion, with a little more personal discipline and experience, he is a legit .270-.280 hitter at worst, and very likely a .290-.300 bat with at least a decent OB who is a defensive asset in LF who can cover CF when needed, his original position. I don't know if he has the instincts and pure speed to ever be a big SB threat, but double-digits should be there. He has the natural stroke, speed and power to be a solid doubles hitter with some triples sprinkled in. Can he ever be a 20 HR hitter like was a few years ago? I don't know. But then again, he's young and been promoted pretty quickly. Given a chance to play every day at one level eventually, I could easily see consistent double-digit HR production. I think the natural power is there. And overall, he could be a very valuable, versatile performer.

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#43 Willihammer

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 09:32 PM

Please elaborate on these defensive issues.Santana has always been regarded as an excellent defender in the minors.We aren't talking about Plouffe here.Plouffe had defensive question marks his entire MiLB career.Many thought Santana could stick at SS for awhile in the majors due to his glove alone.

The knock on Santana that I heard over and over going into ST is that he rushed plays, causing him to commit errors on routine ground balls. And actually if you look at his minor league defensive stats, he committed more errors on a per chance basis than Escobar, Polanco, or even Plouffe.

 

More importantly, if the Twins thought so highly of Santana's glove then he would be starting at SS everyday. Gardenhire has always played who he believes is the best glove at SS, providing the guy can hit anything north of .600

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:17 AM

The knock on Santana that I heard over and over going into ST is that he rushed plays, causing him to commit errors on routine ground balls. And actually if you look at his minor league defensive stats, he committed more errors on a per chance basis than Escobar, Polanco, or even Plouffe.

 

More importantly, if the Twins thought so highly of Santana's glove then he would be starting at SS everyday. Gardenhire has always played who he believes is the best glove at SS, providing the guy can hit anything north of .600

He even played Florimon with an OPS south of .600.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 06:15 PM

He even played Florimon with an OPS south of .600.

And not just south of the border, down Mexico way.It was more like... Equatorial Guinea.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:23 PM

He even played Florimon with an OPS south of .600.

Florimon's OPS when he played regularly (2013) was just north of .600 (.611).

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 06:45 PM

Florimon's OPS when he played regularly (2013) was just north of .600 (.611).

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