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#1 Nick Nelson

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:50 AM

You can view the page at http://www.twinsdail...nding-on-Dozier

#2 Waverley Wildcat

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 03:49 AM

Looking for a short stop prospect in the Twins? How about James Beresford?

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:15 AM

Good stuff... You can probably write the same thing and substitute "Valencia" for "Dozier" and "third base" for "short stop" and be equally correct. Their numbers are interestingly similar too: Dozier: 97 PAs 21 H, 4 2B, 2 HR, 3 BB, 20 K Valencia: 103 PAs, 19 H, 5 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 2 BB, 23 K (unless one thinks that Plouffe might be an option at 3B or Sano in 3 years)
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:19 AM

Carroll has been mildly disappointing at the plate, but I suspect by season end he'll be hitting closer to his career norms and his OBP will make him a reasonable option. But his best position is "utility INF who plays a fair amount", since his defense is more than adequate at SS, 2B, and 3B. I actually think the bigger reason why Dozier is up is because they've tossed Valencia back to AAA, rather than Carroll's performance at SS. And once Dozier came up it made more sense to adjust the roles accordingly. Carroll's a useful piece. But the Twins will be best off if Dozier proves he can handle the position defensively (so far, so good) and offensively (jury very much out) for the next several years.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:04 AM

And, probably 1B and RF too....once Morneau is dealt....but yes, 3B is just as bad as SS. Heck, who is the 2B?

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:17 AM

And, probably 1B and RF too....once Morneau is dealt....but yes, 3B is just as bad as SS. Heck, who is the 2B?


That is correct as far as it goes. It appears that there is no one in the system that profiles as an above average regular at 2B, SS, 3B and RF. However, I think the Twins need to know whether they have to go outside their organization for any or all of those positions. As for Dozier, he has shown that he can adjust so far, so I think he'll be all right or better than that at the plate as a shortstop.

I think Carroll has value as a utility guy for a good team. I hope he gets traded and brings back a decent return.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:24 AM

That is correct as far as it goes. It appears that there is no one in the system that profiles as an above average regular at 2B, SS, 3B and RF. .


That is not exactly correct :)
Eddie Rosario profiles as above average at 2B and there are 2-3 players who profile as above average regulars at RF including Sano, if he ends up there instead of 1B. SS and 3B are issues, unless Travis Harrison can stay at 3B and does not have to move across the diamond. Just these guys are not playing to the majors any time soon...
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:29 AM

Ah, sorry thrylos, I thought we were talking within 3 years....yes, Rosario and Sano hopefully cover 2 of 2B, 1B, RF....

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:30 AM

Now IS the time to be a Twins rookie. You can get a long looksee, or a chance to come up, sample the life, be rotated back to the minors to actually work on stuff, and be called up to see how you do...and if you show promise, chances are you will have a major league job in 2013....unless you pull a Valencia and get sent back down into limbo land. The only constraints the Twins have is how many people you can rotate thru the 40-man roster, future service time issues and all. You don't need to have a bunch of wannabees that are one-year wonders ONLY holding down the fort. Are they still raw enough to keep in the system and shine (Dozier, Parmele, Revere, Benson et al) or just replaceable fodder (Gray, Walters, Diamond, Maloney, Towles, Butera et al). There is no snortage of also ran players that can give you entertaining (not winning) baseball.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 01:46 PM

Looking for a short stop prospect in the Twins? How about James Beresford?


I like Beresford too, but he has zero power and has an awful Slugging % to show for it. I can't see him ever breaking .700 in OPS and his baserunning is mediocre as well. There are too many flaws for him to ever become a regular on an MLB team.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 03:44 PM

Great stuff as usual Nick! After reading this, various other articles and watching this team I have a new article idea for you. It's called "How in the hell does Bill Smith still have a job in this organization." Try and tackle that please!

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:35 PM

Is Niko Goodrum too far away from the majors to be considered in this, or has he been moved to a different position?

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:45 PM

Is Niko Goodrum too far away from the majors to be considered in this, or has he been moved to a different position?


Goodrum has not played a single professional game yet :) He is in extended spring training and will probably start in Elizabethton this season.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:07 PM

Have patience! Unless they determine after this year that he doesn't have the ability to defend at the major league level, they need to give him this year and next.

I hope the Twins management is more wise than some on the board that want to group him in with players who have over 1000 major league plate appearances.

The Twins need to develop their own. They can't buy a polished player for every position. Developing often includes times of struggle. Morneau, Hunter, Bartlett, Ortiz, Cuddyer all struggled early while on a path where they eventually played in an all star game.

I really believe the Twins need to build with an eye towards 2014 and a goal of 90 wins. If the Twins don't find some pieces within the organization, they won't get out of this hole. He can be a piece of that puzzle. Parmelee can be another piece. There will be struggle along the way. Are we willing to wait?

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:23 PM

If we want a SS that will be a mainstay then we need to draft Carlos Correa. I know he won't help for quite a few years but once he is up we will not have to worry about who is going to be the SS the next year because we will know Correa will be that guy for many years.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:43 PM

Goodrum has not played a single professional game yet :) He is in extended spring training and will probably start in Elizabethton this season.


Didn't Goodrum play at Elizabethton last season?

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:31 PM

If we want a SS that will be a mainstay then we need to draft Carlos Correa. I know he won't help for quite a few years but once he is up we will not have to worry about who is going to be the SS the next year because we will know Correa will be that guy for many years.


I think Correa would be a good pick, but he will grow out of the SS position.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:32 PM

I think Correa would be a good pick, but he will grow out of the SS position.


I guess that is a really possibility but than he can just go to third.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:50 PM

These are transition years. Dozier can take his hacks, learn the hitting game at the mlb level, and maybe start raising his avg during the season. Meanwhile, he's a very solid glove at SS, and he's definitely a competitor. I think he's got a little Pedroia in him.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:25 PM

Didn't Goodrum play at Elizabethton last season?


Yes and the GCL the season before. For some reason looks like he will repeat Elizabethton or get to Beloit after the promotions clear space. Just too many SS ahead of him right now (Michael, Grimes) so there is no playing time for him in pro ball yet this season.
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