Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:22 AM
Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:40 AM
I've seen several people mention that one of the reasons we should dump Jeff Gray is because he's 30, implying that there is no way he'll improve beyond his career averages, and no way he could be a long term part of the Twins pitching staff.
Why? Lots of players play well into their 30's and some into their 40's. And there ARE some guys who do improve considerably after they are 30.
Perfect example: R.A. Dickey. He was drafted out of college when he was 22, played in the Rangers organization for 10 years doing nothing special, bounced around a bit, pitched for the Twins in 2009 and was largely written off as not a useful asset....and then in 2010, at the age of 36 he joined the Mets starting rotation and has spent the last few seasons being one of the better starting pitchers in the National League (and arguably better than virtually every Twins starter in that period).
Now that is an extreme example, and I don't expect Gray to suddenly jump to the rotation and start striking out 10+ guys a night, but it seems awfully silly to use his age and his past struggles to completely write off the very good work he has done this year and discount any potential future benefit he could have for the club.
I'm not sure people are necessarily writing Gray off as much as they are saying that considering some of the younger, promising bullpen arms in the organization, he's a bit redundant. Gray hasn't performed terribly but if the Twins are ultimately going to move forward they need to see what they actually have in those arms and eventually Gray holds up one of those spots. Who knows, if the perception remains that he has been pretty effective maybe we can package him up in a trade with Liriano or Pavano and get a half-ass throw in prospect.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:56 AM
Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:59 AM
Posted 30 May 2012 - 08:33 AM
Posted 30 May 2012 - 02:53 PM
Posted 30 May 2012 - 03:07 PM
Posted 30 May 2012 - 03:27 PM
Because at this point wins in 2012 are pretty meaningless. It's more important for the team to evaluate young players to see if they can perform at the major league level than it is to keep a guy like Jeff Gray around. AND I'm the first to admit that to this point I was wrong about the bullpen this year. I thought it was going to be horrible and it really has been okay. Guys like Gray, Burnett and Burton have been better than I expected. It's too bad most of the time they are pitching when we are down by 3-4 runs - the last 3 games being the exception.
Why not stay with a proven quantity until it doesn't work? Maybe moving up a new guy will work, but maybe it backfires - that does happen sometimes. Because of who we have waiting in Rochester, Gray has little margin for error (and I'm sure he knows that), but his numbers are good enough to stay on the MLB roster. 1-2-3 inning today, including a K.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 04:25 PM
Edited by IdahoPilgrim, 30 May 2012 - 04:38 PM.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 04:34 PM
Posted 30 May 2012 - 04:43 PM
Not to mention that Dickey didn't become a knuckleballer until later in his career. If Gray were to transform himself into another style of pitcher entirely, it's possible he might be a quality player. I don't think anyone actually sees that happening, do they?
As a knuckleballer, Dickey is a terrible example. They are the one oddity that you can't use to compare to other players. History is littered with quite a few knuckleballers that didn't find success until late in their career, including guys like Wakefield and J. Niekro.
Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:47 AM