OK.So who of you want to see "the present" Worley in today'srotation?None?this thread reminds me of a sunfish I caught, but threw back in the lake.Someone else caught him and ate him--and I'm OK with that.
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 10:58 AM
Also Look at who is about to be in our rotation and tell me if you think Worely should be here or not.
That's 6 solid starters and Berrios should be pretty close next year too.Johnson and Darnell will be available so we will have lots of options up here.Do we really need Worely.I think Terry Ryan said they traded him to cut bait and give him an opportunity to start fresh somewhere else.So I am guessing that means relationships and past results made it hard for him to be put in a spot to succeed here so why not trade him.
Posted 30 July 2014 - 11:19 AM
That's 6 solid starters
Sure, and how much better would they be under Pittsburgh's care
When I hear a pitcher is throwing a “simulated game” my first thought is that he repeated the opposing lineup 10,000 times. - Jonathan Judge
Posted 30 July 2014 - 11:26 AM
Odd that after the last 3+ years and player after player going to other teams and at least being mediocre that people can still give the front office and coaching staff a free pass.
How long do we have to watch bad baseball before there is some accountability?
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 11:32 AM
Since you asked, I'd have cut Diamond (or Pino) right away, and kept Worley. I'd rather see him than Darnell or Johnson or Pino in the rotation today. I'd rather have a 25 year old with some MLB success in AAA, than a 30 year old that can't stick in AAA teams, for example.
And, they didn't trade him. They got a couple of bucks for him. They cut him. After he cleared waivers, and could have kept him in AAA. He was young, and had upside. Thinking it was a good baseball decision (not about personalities or whatever, but baseball) seems odd to me.
What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.
Posted 30 July 2014 - 11:55 AM
Vance Worley, if he continues pitching with the peripherals he's currently sporting, will also collapse spectacularly. Nobody can sustain above average - or even average - performances with those peripherals.
I agree that he is pitching beyond what his peripheral stats would suggest but I disagre with the idea of a spectacular collapse. He is currently sporitng a FIP of 3.52 and a xFIP of 3.77. Both of those are in line with his good years in Philly. Both of those are significantly better than his 2013 with the Twins. Both of those suggest he isn't a top of the rotation guy like his 2.54 ERA suggests but both suggest to me that he can be a fine 3-4 starter when things correct.
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:22 PM
Worley is getting lucky. It happens to all pitchers, it just looks worse in this case because it happened to happen as soon as he joined the Pirates.
I did a quick glance at one of Blackburns seasons real quickly, heck, he had a 12 game stretch where he had a 2.20 ERA.
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 06:04 PM
Worley is a bum. He is going to get pounded in no time. I don't care how well he does for 8 starts. There is no way this guy keeps it up. I really don't think its hard to defend the Twins about releasing a guy that blames a bad start on the wind. **** this guy. I can't wait until I can revive this thread after a 5+ ERA.
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