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#1 stringer bell

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:04 AM

I don't usually speculate about trades, but there are times when I see a match of needs and excess. The Angels have Morales and Pujols plus a full outfield, even with Vernon Wells being sidelined (big loss). Their rotation is solid, but their bullpen lacks both talent and depth. The Twins have too many bullpen arms and no one in their rotation. The Angels have an excess RH power hitter (Trumbo). I think something could be done that would help LA- Anaheim this year--something like Trumbo and their most projectable AAA pitcher for one or two bullpen arms (Duensing and Burton/Capps) and maybe Benson, depending on how good a projected starter the Angels would give up.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:12 AM

Span - matches up very well with Texas. they need a CF and a leadoff hitter. they have a lot of pitching prospects. Morneau, if he can be healthy for the next 6-7 weeks - fits well in Texas or Toronto.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:18 AM

Teams really don't place much value on relief pitchers and getting an average position player for one is generally highway robbery. Two bullpen arms for Trumbo OR a AAA starter seems a lot more reasonable, but the Angels might be too hesitant to take it. You'd also have to bank on the Angels thinking that they have a chance for a wild card spot. I also wouldn't trade Benson because he isn't much of a bargaining chip since he's flat out sucked in the minors this season.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:20 AM

Take a look at Boston's injury report for tonight's game.
http://scores.espn.g...ameId=320522101
Wonder if there are any possibilities there?
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:21 AM


Morneau, if he can be healthy for the next 6-7 weeks - fits well in Texas or Toronto.


The Twins are going to have to eat some of his contract if they plan on getting a meritable return. I almost think it's better to keep Morneau because of what he's done in the past and the potential he still has.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:31 AM

Span - matches up very well with Texas. they need a CF and a leadoff hitter. they have a lot of pitching prospects.


Span would match up well with the Dodgers, too. They could put him in LF and let him leadoff. Frankly, a lot of teams could use Span.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:34 AM

I would absolutely see what Anaheim would want for Trumbo and a Garrett Richards. To make such a trade happen, Span should definitely be part of the equation. Pavano could be offered as a back of rotation innings-eater, assuming he stays healthy. Then I'd offer at least one of our top end prospects - Benson or Hicks. Then in the off season, sign a couple of the arms discussed in the Zach Greinke discussion from the last couple days, and re-sign Ryan Doumit and suddenly you've filled quite a few holes. Still some remain of course, but I think these moves would result in an instant improvement going into next season.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:48 AM

I want to deal with Arizona, they have several great arms in the minors (not getting Bauer, but the next two are still better than any Twins' prospect). Atlanta, could they use a 1B? Agree with the above, Span fits almost any team at this point....
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:54 AM

I want to deal with Arizona, they have several great arms in the minors (not getting Bauer, but the next two are still better than any Twins' prospect). Atlanta, could they use a 1B? Agree with the above, Span fits almost any team at this point....


Atlanta wouldn't want a 1B. They seem to have a good future with Freeman.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:22 AM

I'm not so sure why everyone is so convinced that the Angels will just give up Trumbo for nothing, or trade him at all. They can simply have him play RF moving forward and filling in at 3B from time to time if he can improve. They certainly aren't going to give him up for two relief pitchers and most likely the Twins would have to part with at least one top prospect to even be in the conversation, and if that is the case then it really makes no sense for the Twins to explore.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:26 AM

Ooops, for some reason I forgot about Freeman....not sure how that happened!
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:30 AM

Trumbo is having a fantastic year, but even last season when he finished 2nd in ROY voting he had an OBP of .291. Even though he was a slugger all through out his minor league career his minor league OBP was only .330. I like the guy but I think he may turn out to be frustratingly inconisistant over the course of his career as he does not seem to have the ability to draw walks like the great sluggers do.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:39 AM

Trumbo is having a fantastic year, but even last season when he finished 2nd in ROY voting he had an OBP of .291. Even though he was a slugger all through out his minor league career his minor league OBP was only .330. I like the guy but I think he may turn out to be frustratingly inconisistant over the course of his career as he does not seem to have the ability to draw walks like the great sluggers do.


He has his warts no doubt, but he has a ton of raw power, and though he strikes out a lot, its not at a Mark Reynolds or Adam Dunn level. The lack of walks is concerning, but as long as he can keep his SO's between 100-130 his 30+ HR power makes him a pretty solid choice, in 2010 he was able to draw 58 walks in the minors, so basically he has the potential to be a poor mans Cecil Fielder, with less strike outs, a little less power, but a little higher batting average and versatility defensively.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:41 AM

Mark Trumbo is 26 years old and has 30-HR power potential. The Angels are FLOODED with OF talent, so why would they give away a guy who can absolutely mash and play a bit of 3B, corner OF, 1B, and DH? They already have speedy OF's in Trout and Bourjos. I don't question that Trumbo or Morales may be traded someday, but I don't think Span is nearly enough. And the prospects we would offer don't hold a candle to guys already in their organization.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:45 AM

Mark Trumbo is 26 years old and has 30-HR power potential. The Angels are FLOODED with OF talent, so why would they give away a guy who can absolutely mash and play a bit of 3B, corner OF, 1B, and DH? They already have speedy OF's in Trout and Bourjos.

I don't question that Trumbo or Morales may be traded someday, but I don't think Span is nearly enough. And the prospects we would offer don't hold a candle to guys already in their organization.

The Angels would have zero need or desire for Span IMO.

You know who could probably get you Trumbo straight up? Ramos. But we had to trade him for a proven all-star, mediocre, closer a couple years ago.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:45 AM

He has his warts no doubt, but he has a ton of raw power, and though he strikes out a lot, its not at a Mark Reynolds or Adam Dunn level. The lack of walks is concerning, but as long as he can keep his SO's between 100-130 his 30+ HR power makes him a pretty solid choice, in 2010 he was able to draw 58 walks in the minors, so basically he has the potential to be a poor mans Cecil Fielder, with less strike outs, a little less power, but a little higher batting average and versatility defensively.

Wow, "poor man's Cecil Fielder?" You are way undervaluing Trumbo. If you can you hit .270 (or even .250). with 30 HR power and 100-125 K's per season (as was his M.O. in both AAA and the majors), that makes you Mark Texiera. Heck, Ryan Howard strikes out 150-200 times a year, and he's a $100 million player.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:56 AM

Duomit signed a one-year deal with the Twins because he saw the opportunity to showcase himself, not play alot of catcher, get some time in as DH 0a safe position) and maybe some outfield and first base so he can cash in with a multi-year deal that may be significantly more than he deserves or the Twins would be willing to pay. So, at some point, he may prove to be a more valuable trading chip and the approach with resigning (avoiding arbitration). Twins fans have to feel pretty up right now with the potential of Drew Butera throwing from the mound, and catching...possibly in the same inning. Keep remembering, people. Players want to play and sign with teams that have the potential to win. So, the Twins are doomed to their minor league system, trading what chips they have for other chips people may not want, and hopefully the season ticket base remains.....

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:57 AM

Wow, "poor man's Cecil Fielder?" You are way undervaluing Trumbo. If you can you hit .270 (or even .250). with 30 HR power and 100-125 K's per season (as was his M.O. in both AAA and the majors), that makes you Mark Texiera. Heck, Ryan Howard strikes out 150-200 times a year, and he's a $100 million player.

Mark Texiera has a lifetime .370 OBP and a lifetime OPS of .898.
Howard averaged 50 HR a year the 4 years prior to his contract extension.

Trumbo has a long ways to go to match either one of them.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:00 PM

26 isn't exactly young....
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:12 PM

Trumbo is starting now... He isn't depth... It's the guys who are playing less because Trumbo is playing who are excess. If the Angels decide to move Trumbo. He would bring a lot more then bullpen arms. He could packaged for someone like Tulowitski. For example... I'm not saying the Rockies would move Tulo.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:27 PM

I don't really see why Trumbo would be a good piece for a rebuilding effort. He's only 2 years younger than Span, he has some pop but he makes a lot of outs. WAR, which has many, many problems, has them basically tied over the last two years, despite Span missing half of last year. He doesn't seem a good fit for us and Span isn't a good fit for them.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:49 PM

The Angels don't need Span at all. Other teams could use Span. Id like to see Trumbo on the Twins. Span won't bring him here tho. Capps is about the only player the Angels would be interested in and he wont be enough to bring in Trumbo because they don't need him. The Angels are tossing aside Abreu cuz they are stacked. The Angels basically need almost nothing except to have their current lineup start playing baseball.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:05 PM

Why the hell are you people talking about Trumbo. Get real about the need of this club. He DOES NOT fill a need. Not one. He sucks at 3b, Mauer is a better option. We have a 1b, DH and OF's. WE NEED PITCHING!!!!!! If you are not talking about what players we can trade for pitchers, then this thread is a waste of time.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:44 PM

Mark Trumbo is 26 years old and has 30-HR power potential. The Angels are FLOODED with OF talent, so why would they give away a guy who can absolutely mash and play a bit of 3B, corner OF, 1B, and DH? They already have speedy OF's in Trout and Bourjos.

I don't question that Trumbo or Morales may be traded someday, but I don't think Span is nearly enough. And the prospects we would offer don't hold a candle to guys already in their organization.


Totally agree with this take. Once you get past Span, is there anyone that other teams would target?

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:03 PM

I don't see them trading Morneau....Span, Capps, Doumit...a bullpen arm maybe.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:16 PM

I don't see them trading Morneau....Span, Capps, Doumit...a bullpen arm maybe.


I could see them moving Willingham if the offer was good enough, too.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:24 PM

I think everyone needs to take a step back for a second. In this thread, Mark Trumbo has been compared to Cecil Fielder, Mark Teixeira, Ryan Howard, Troy Tulowitzki and Adam Dunn. Trumbo had a .768 OPS last year, combined, the four players listed above had two full seasons where they had an OPS that low. One was Fielder's final season in the league and the other was Dunn's historic disaster last year in which his OBP was still higher than Trumbo's. Trumbo's had a good month and I could care less about the K's but he does not get on base enough to be compared to other elite sluggers.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:19 PM

What would our options be if we decided to keep Span and trade some of our OF's who are potentially being blocked by him? I'm sure there are teams out there willing to take a shot at Revere, Benson, Hicks, maybe even our Italian Stallions (Mastroianni and Tosoni). We also seem to have a surplus of young arms in the area of long relief/spot starter that probably won't turn out to be better than #4 or #5 starters. Any options out there for getting anything worth having for Manship, Swarzak, Hicks, Walters, etc? I know we almost certainly aren't going to get A-level big league talent for these guys, but they could get us some guys to fill in at 3b/2b/SS where we are pretty thin right now, or maybe a package to get one half-way decent veteran starter (a 2010 Pavano, rather than a 2012 Marquis).

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:26 PM

Why on earth is anyone talking about trading anyone for anything other than pitching? I certainly won't even think about a Span for some position player! Free agency is going to be the way to go for starting pitching, by the way. Just sayin . . . ok, since this is essentially another ridiculous trade Span thread, I am leaving.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:40 PM

my guys: Didi Gregorious SS - Reds NIEL RAMIREZ SP - Rangers (been advocating him for months around here) Erik Surkamp SP - Giants Adieny Hechavarria SS - Blue Jays Ryan Cook RP - Athletics

Top Twins prospects ? 1.Byron Buxton (OF-A+)
2.Miguel Sano (3B-AA) 3.Alex Meyer (SP-AAA) 4. Kohl Stewart (SP-A) 5. J.O. Berrios (P-AA) 6.Nick Gordon (SS-RK)  7. *Josmil Pinto (C-AAA) 8.Jorge Polanco (2B-AA)  9. L. Thorpe (SP-A) 10. *Trevor May (SP-AAA) 11.Kennys Vargas (1B-AAA) 12.Travis Harrison (OF-A+) 13.Eddie Rosario (2B-AA) 14. Max Kepler (OF-A+) 15.Nick Burdi (RP-A)  Just Missed :P P Tyler Duffey, SS Aderlin Mejia, P Stephen Gonsalves, C Stuart Turner.