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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:08 PM

The following was a tweet from Jon Morosi in the last five minutes:

Source: #Twins to designate Jason Marquis for assignment. Has 8.47 ERA in Minnesota but good track record in National League. Only 33.



Let the speculation begin:

I'd project that Cole DeVries will take Marquis's 40 man roster spot and his spot in the starting rotation.
Could be Liam Hendriks as well.
Could be Anthony Swarzak to start with Anthony Slama taking Marquis's 40 man spot and a bullpen spot.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:12 PM

I think they move Duensing to start, call up Slama.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:16 PM

Duensing hasn't even begun to stretch out into starting capacity and it would be asinine to convert him back to a starter. I don't like Swarzak much, but I would take that route if it meant Slama would be FINALLY promoted.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:20 PM

Good move. With how he is pitching now, I can't see another team claiming him. There is the random chance that he could figure his stuff out in Rochester, and he'd still be in the system if he's needed. And, open up another spot on the 40 man. I like it.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:23 PM

I like getting Slama up and Swarzak to start. Second preference is to recall Hendricks and leave Swarzak in the pen. Leave Duensing alone.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:39 PM

Duensing hasn't even begun to stretch out into starting capacity and it would be asinine to convert him back to a starter.

I don't like Swarzak much, but I would take that route if it meant Slama would be FINALLY promoted.


They were stretching him out last week. http://www.twincitie...retch-out-brian

I think Slama deserves his chance but I don't think I'm as optimistic as you. Turpen in AA has really been intriguing. Interesting to see if they move him up to AAA if Slama comes up.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:54 PM

This isn't hard to figure out. Liriano goes back in the rotation, Slama takes his place in the pen and on the 25 man roster.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:59 PM

what was your favorite jason marquis moment?

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:00 PM

This isn't hard to figure out. Liriano goes back in the rotation, Slama takes his place in the pen and on the 25 man roster.


Butera to Closer, Liriano to the rotation, Morneau to emergency third catcher, Doumit to starting catcher, Mauer to third, Capps to Golden Coral, Nishioka to Ft Myers, Joe Benson to a batting cage.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:07 PM

what was your favorite jason marquis moment?


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:11 PM

This isn't hard to figure out. Liriano goes back in the rotation, Slama takes his place in the pen and on the 25 man roster.


I think that for the short and long term this makes the most sense:

- They need to get Liriano going so they can get some value for him
- Would be great for Hendriks and Guerra to get some success in AAA before they join the team in September and in 2013
- Slama is way overdue to be in the bigs

Cole DeVries is a good story and he will probably be up soon also replacing the next SP who needs replacing (Blackburn? Walters?)
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:15 PM

I think that for the short and long term this makes the most sense:

- They need to get Liriano going so they can get some value for him
- Would be great for Hendriks and Guerra to get some success in AAA before they join the team in September and in 2013
- Slama is way overdue to be in the bigs

Cole DeVries is a good story and he will probably be up soon also replacing the next SP who needs replacing (Blackburn? Walters?)

Guerra is out of options starting next year, if he continues to succeed in AAA you need to consider bringing him up soon, I'd be pretty surprised if he isn't on the team by the all star break, Sept is to long to wait IMO. I think Hendriks will be back up by then as well, not nesicarly due to him earning it, more just the rotation continuing to be terrible overall.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:21 PM

This isn't hard to figure out. Liriano goes back in the rotation, Slama takes his place in the pen and on the 25 man roster.


If Liriano's back to starting, who pitches the other 7 innings of his starts? I understand wanting Liriano to break out but he's done nothing the last two years to suggest he should be starting.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:26 PM

If Liriano's back to starting, who pitches the other 7 innings of his starts? I understand wanting Liriano to break out but he's done nothing the last two years to suggest he should be starting.


Unlike other options, he has, at least, shown above average ability at certain points of his career.

What other option can you say that about? Duensing maybe, but that seemed pretty illusory at the time, as proven later. Plus, he looks like he can be a real asset in the pen. Leave him there.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:32 PM

Good move. With how he is pitching now, I can't see another team claiming him. There is the random chance that he could figure his stuff out in Rochester, and he'd still be in the system if he's needed. And, open up another spot on the 40 man. I like it.


Do you really think he'd accept going to Rochester? He can turn it down, as a 5-year veteran, can't he? If he is indeed better in the NL, and is "condemned" to AAA again, why not try to sign a minor league contract with a NL team? Better chance to get back up that way.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:39 PM

Do you really think he'd accept going to Rochester? He can turn it down, as a 5-year veteran, can't he? If he is indeed better in the NL, and is "condemned" to AAA again, why not try to sign a minor league contract with a NL team? Better chance to get back up that way.


I'd be pretty surprised if an NL team wouldn't pick him up within a week.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:39 PM

Do you really think he'd accept going to Rochester? He can turn it down, as a 5-year veteran, can't he? If he is indeed better in the NL, and is "condemned" to AAA again, why not try to sign a minor league contract with a NL team? Better chance to get back up that way.


If he refuses Rochester, he forfeits the remainder of his contract, no?

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:47 PM

If he refuses Rochester, he forfeits the remainder of his contract, no?


I could be wrong, but, no, I think he keeps it.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 06:08 PM

If he refuses Rochester, he forfeits the remainder of his contract, no?


That can't be right.

The only reason he accepted the earlier start in AAA or was it AA? Was that the Twins guaranteed him to be back on the major league team by X date.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 06:20 PM

That can't be right.

The only reason he accepted the earlier start in AAA or was it AA? Was that the Twins guaranteed him to be back on the major league team by X date.


I'm not positive, and I've been trying to find a copy of the 2012 basic contract on line with no luck, but I think it works like this: if he goes through waivers unclaimed, the Twins can attempt to reassign his contract to Rochester. He has the right to refuse, and become a FA, but in doing so, forfeits the remainder of this contract.

At least that's the way I read the basic contract in effect 2007-2011 (Article XIX, A. 2). A player with more than five years can refuse assignment to the minors, but in doing so becomes a FA and "is not entitled to termination pay." "Termination pay" is defined elsewhere as the remainer of the contract for that season (article IX). You can find the 2007-2011 basic contract with a google search for "MLB basic contract."

I could be wrong.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 06:31 PM

I'm not positive, and I've been trying to find a copy of the 2012 basic contract on line with no luck, but I think it works like this: if he goes through waivers unclaimed, the Twins can attempt to reassign his contract to Rochester. He has the right to refuse, and become a FA, but in doing so, forfeits the remainder of this contract.

At least that's the way I read the basic contract in effect 2007-2011 (Article XIX, A. 2). A player with more than five years can refuse assignment to the minors, but in doing so becomes a FA and "is not entitled to termination pay." "Termination pay" is defined elsewhere as the remainer of the contract for that season (article IX). You can find the 2007-2011 basic contract with a google search for "MLB basic contract."

I could be wrong.


Don't they have like 10 days to do so or something as well? Or other teams have 10 days to put in a claim?
I'd have to imagine some NL team will take him in a heart beat as they'd only have to pay a percentage of the league minimum.

Also, it could be possible that it specifically says in his contract that he can refuse a demotion if he chooses (and keeps his money)

Either way, I don't think we will see him in Rochester anytime soon.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 06:31 PM

I Have no problem with Slama either....Leave Hendriks in AAA for now. Either give DeVries a shot or just let Swarzak get a few starts until Hendriks is ready to come back up. My question still is IF Pavano gets skipped/pushed back on Thursday what happens??? Gardy said the spot start would come from "the clubhouse" I believe which to me means Swarzak/Liriano/Duensing. If that's the case just let Cisco take the ball for one start. He's only been in the pen two weeks so his stamina should not be a problem.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 07:11 PM

I could be wrong, but, no, I think he keeps it.



According to Wikipedia (take it for what it's worth) he gets his money whether he accepts reassignment or asks to be released. If he is picked up by another team and signs a contract with them, the Twins are responsible for making up the difference between his new contract and his old one.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 07:56 PM

According to Wikipedia (take it for what it's worth) he gets his money whether he accepts reassignment or asks to be released. If he is picked up by another team and signs a contract with them, the Twins are responsible for making up the difference between his new contract and his old one.

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As far as pitching options go, I think it makes the most sense to slide Swarzak to the rotation for now and bring somebody up or claim somebody for relief help. Liriano needs a little more time in the bullpen, and Hendricks could use a couple more turns in AAA. Don't forget, we'll almost certainly need someone to take Blackburn's spot by the time they get home.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 08:16 PM

Liriano gets the start Thursday, that will dictate what happens beyond that. I get the feeling Blackburn is a ways from returning (or the Twins wanting him to return) in which case we may see Devries or Hendriks at any rate. I'd rather it be Devries, let Hendriks keep working his groove for another month or so. Keep the bullpen the way it is, if anyone manages to keep it close they are our main hope to actually win games. I do think Slama deserves to get a shot, at this point we might as well see what he has instead of wasting time with Jeff Gray. I think the bigger question is what happens when Blackburn returns and he becomes Jason Marquis act II......what then?

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 08:24 PM

Liriano gets the start Thursday, that will dictate what happens beyond that. I get the feeling Blackburn is a ways from returning (or the Twins wanting him to return) in which case we may see Devries or Hendriks at any rate. I'd rather it be Devries, let Hendriks keep working his groove for another month or so. Keep the bullpen the way it is, if anyone manages to keep it close they are our main hope to actually win games. I do think Slama deserves to get a shot, at this point we might as well see what he has instead of wasting time with Jeff Gray.

I think the bigger question is what happens when Blackburn returns and he becomes Jason Marquis act II......what then?


Yeah, we could be looking at a Pavano (if he holds up!), Diamond, Walters, DeVries, Manship rotation at that point. And fine by me, honestly. Pavano is the only tradeable starter. I would rather have Blackburn shut it down and get healthy for next year when he is REALLY paid way too much. I imagine Hendriks will be up after 5 or so more starts at AAA.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 08:43 PM

I think the bigger question is what happens when Blackburn returns and he becomes Jason Marquis act II......what then?


My fear is that Slama will not be called up this time around and we will all be pleading for this when Marquis Act II takes place. The Twins must really think Slama just absolutely won't cut it in the Bigs. Maybe the Twins can Have a Poor Man's Andy Pettitte un-retirement situation happen for them. Brad Radke misses the game, he is feeling the itch to face competition again. He calls up the Terry Ryan and expresses his desire to return to the bigs. Terry says, Why not, let's do it. Brad says, game on bro and kicks it in full throttle to help the Twins out in this dire season. Heck, I even think Radke is a few months younger than Pettitte. When you wish upon a star....

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 08:48 PM

[quote name='Bark's Lounge;18979]My fear is that Slama will not be called up this time around and we will all be pleading for this when Marquis Act II takes place. The Twins must really think Slama just absolutely won't cut it in the Bigs. Maybe the Twins can Have a Poor Man's Andy Pettitte un-retirement situation happen for them. Brad Radke misses the game' date=' he is feeling the itch to face competition again. He calls up the Terry Ryan and expresses his desire to return to the bigs. Terry says, Why not, let's do it. Brad says, game on bro and kicks it in full throttle to help the Twins out in this dire season. Heck, I even think Radke is a few months younger than Pettitte. When you wish upon a star....[/QUOTE']

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:35 PM

what was your favorite jason marquis moment?


I'll go with the class that he showed through what will likely be the most difficult time in his life and the several weeks since then while he's struggled. Even if he wasn't always shown that same respect and class in return.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:36 PM

Just for old time's sake, the Twins medical staff will re-tear Radke's labrum before he begins the road back to the team.


... for old time's sake, that would not shock me.