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#1 goulik

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 06:57 AM

Let's discuss the "prospects" that have been up this year and their future with our club.

From the beginning of the year we knew that this year was about building for the future while trying to be better than last year. So many have complained about who we have not brought up (Meyer and May ) while complaining about who did get a taste of the bigs (Darnell, Johnson and Pino) Well, we are also finding out what we have in lesser prospects while we try out the bigger names. Yes May and Meyer are our future front line starting prospects and they need to be up this year, but what are Johnson, Pino, Darnell long term? What are they to us in 2015-16?

While so vehemently criticizing the front office and owner for not trying out those we want up (now) we tend to overlook the other numerous promotions. I see it as an optimistic look at the future to have seen Polanco up twice (very briefly) from low A. Hicks WAS brought up too early and he turned into a hot mess that still hasn't been fixed (I am still hoping). I want this thread to be focused on the positive side of the front office and owner and how they have given us numerous faces to evaluate (and judge) this year

So what do we think of these new(er) names as we look to 2015-16. Will they be here, what role should they have in our future, and if not here where will they be (cut, traded, still in the minors)?

So, here are the names:
Pino
Johnson
Darnell
Fuld
Nunez
Arcia
Hicks
Santana
Escobar
Hermann
Tonkin
Pinto
Florimon
Colabello
Polanco
Pressly
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#2 TheLeviathan

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:20 AM

That list made me a sad panda.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:21 AM

I would like to see Gilmartin get a shot sometime in the next year, or as a Sept call up this year.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:37 AM

So what do we think of these new(er) names as we look to 2015-16. Will they be here, what role should they have in our future, and if not here where will they be (cut, traded, still in the minors)?

So, here are the names:
Pino
Johnson
Darnell
Fuld
Nunez
Arcia
Hicks
Santana
Escobar
Hermann
Tonkin
Pinto
Florimon
Colabello
Polanco
Pressly

 

My opinions:

 

Pino  - Probably DFAd after the season and re-sign to a minor league deal.
Johnson - Could be ea DFA candidate. Don't think he'd stay on a minor league deal.
Darnell - 4/5 starter, or a Duensing-type reliever.
Fuld - Quality 4/5 outfielder.
Nunez - Quality utility type - 3 IF positions and a couple of OF spots
Arcia - Hopefully a middle of the lineup bat, though he certainly has work. He's still very young, but needs to hit lefties better and shorten his swing.
Hicks - 2 options left, talent is immense... could also be a trade-low, change-of-scenery type
Santana - immensely talented, could go into 2015 as the starting CF, and could be a SS option for the future.
Escobar - strong utility guy who we've seen isn't going to hurt you if there is an injury and he needs to play full time.
Hermann - utility guy, 5th OF/3rd Catcher type
Tonkin - I'd like to think a solid 7/8 inning guy.
Pinto - DH/3rd catcher
Florimon - Could be DFAd any time.
Colabello - solid bench bat, part-time player, DH type
Polanco - Could be the shortstop of the future, maybe as early as late 2015.
Pressly - I'd think he's viewed as a six-year bullpen guy, similar to Swarzak.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:44 AM

Exactly the positivity I was looking for... There is some hope in these guys (not all of them but some)

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:12 AM

Seth, I agree about everyone with the exception of Hermann. He is not an mlb player. His value was in catching and he's terrible at it. He can't hit a lick and isn't even a great of. He can provide emergency back up, but only on a minor league contract that didn't take up a 40 man roster spot.
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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:14 AM

Arcia is frustrating.So much talent but he just can't get on a roll due to some poor habits.I drool at the prospect of a breakout season next year.

 

Santana has had a very nice rookie season and looks like he could be a solid starter at SS.

 

Tonkin - I want to see more before I grade him.I think he could be good but he had a terrible initial callup.

 

Hicks continues to plummet down everyone's list.He's still young and he still has tools but that's about all you can say after the disastrous first two seasons.Perhaps people will stop criticizing the Twins every time a prospect isn't promoted after 60-80 great games at a level.

 

Polanco gets an incomplete.

 

Pinto better improve his catching because I'm not convinced that he will ever be a guy that you want to enter the season as Plan A at DH.Like Doumit he will probably be a nice hitter but not exactly the guy you want at DH.It's actually kind of scary to compare their MiLB stats.Almost the same # of G/AB's, AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS, K's, BB's and exactly the same # of 2B's.

 

Escobar and Nunez are fine utility If'ers but hopefully Santana claims the SS spot at some point.

 

Most of the rest are just utility players or practically the last guy that should be allowed to make an MLB team.

I look forward to the day that a pitching prospect is truly blocked by good pitchers.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:20 AM

I would release the following guys:

Pino - DFA
Johnson - DFA 
Hermann - DFA

Florimon - DFA

Colabello - DFA

 

None of these guys should have a future with a Twins team that is good


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:30 AM

Santana has a 5/1 K/BB ratio and .394 BABIP. He is going to regress into something approaching Florimon territory I suspect. Yet another 25th man/utility on a team overflowing with them, IMO.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:32 AM

Of the new guys this year, Santana might be a legit starter. A fan for sure.

 

None of the SP that debuted this year are more than filler/AAAA/5th starter when things go bad, I think.

 

Most of the players are good backup types, which a team needs. I actually kind of like Nunez and Escobar for those roles.

 

Arcia and Hicks came up last year. I was fooled one year by Hicks, but mostly I've thought of him as a 4th OFer, with good defense. His D did not live up to the billing at all, and his hitting was worse than I thought it could be somehow. I still think he has talent, but he's not MLB ready right now. Hopefully they just take their time with him.

 

Arcia is what many scouts on line say he is, when he hits it, great, but he misses it too often. He's young, I'd just leave him out there and see what happens. He clearly has a chance to be good.

 

Tonkin's FB seems a bit straight. Still has a chance, and I think he should be up here learning this year.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:32 AM

I would release the following guys:

Pino - DFA
Johnson - DFA 
Hermann - DFA

Florimon - DFA

Colabello - DFA

 

None of these guys should have a future with a Twins team that is good

 

I agree on the last 3. Pino or Johnson could potentially be decent relievers, but they are probably part of a group of 5-6 guys that could fill the same role. So they could easily be DFAed if the roster space is needed.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:48 AM

There is always a need for guys like pino and Johnson. Once may and Meyer are up and an injury happens you want those guys for a few spot starts. That is the perfect role for them. I don't mind using a few 40 man spots for guys like them.... problem is when you have 5 or so bring taken up with that type.
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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:53 AM

Santana has a 5/1 K/BB ratio and .394 BABIP. He is going to regress into something approaching Florimon territory I suspect. Yet another 25th man/utility on a team overflowing with them, IMO.

typically 23 yr old rookies K more and walk less than they did before.He's going to regress for sure.If he didn't then he would be an all-star but I see him regressing more towards that solid SS that doesn't kill you with the bat.Maybe high .600's OPS.Somebody to hold down the fort until something better comes along.

I look forward to the day that a pitching prospect is truly blocked by good pitchers.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:59 AM

Colabello could be a bench bat.Agree on the other 4.Hope Santana and Arcia turn into starters on the next good Twins team.Will see more the second time around for Santana. Pinto could be a decent catcher, we have more on the way 2-3 years out.Pressly has a chance to be good or a reliever like Swarzak for the next several years.Tonkin will wait and see, Twins have many reliever types on the way up, is Tonkin better or worse than them?RIght now I feel worse, but we shall see.Polanco probably has a future here. Most of the rest are filler types and need chances to see which we keep and which on sent on their way.This is why the Twins need to give these players chances in the next two years, you do not want them to have to be given chances on good Twins clubs.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 09:16 AM

What about Parmelee? Can we add him to your list?

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 10:08 AM

Hicks - 2 options left, talent is immense... could also be a trade-low, change-of-scenery type

 

Is that true, about the options?  Hicks was optioned in 2013 and 2014, so it would appear he only has 1 left (I don't think he qualifies for the 4th option year, as he played in a full-season league in his first full season).


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 10:11 AM

Man I hope they don't sell low on Hicks.  I really want to believe he's got a part still to play.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 10:33 AM

Hicks is soon gone and will be quickly forgotten.

Parmalee could be a big stick for us.As a Lefty he hits lefty pitchers well.


#19 goulik

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:23 PM

Talking Parmalee is fair game but he has been up longer than the rest of the list...
I saved my opinions but I have some I will share now...

Pino- DFA to open 40 man spot after season
Johnson- #5 or Long relief/spot starter not necessarily on the Twins though
Darnell- #5 Starter or long relief/spot starter
Fuld- 4th OF for a year or two w/Twins
Hicks- LF on a different team
Arcia- RF for Twins for next 7 years as a 260 BA/20+ HR guy
Nunez- Bench bat for me more yr with Twins then journeyman for a few years
Escobar- Punto 2.0 for next few years
Colabello- Bench bat/Pinch hitter for a few years but not necessarily with the Twins much longer
Florimon- A few years from now, the name no one remembers when asked to name 2014 Twins players
Herrmann- Butera 2.0 (Nooooooo!!!)
Pinto- Place holder for our future catcher next couple years
Santana- Shortstop until unseated by Polanco then super Utility until Gordan arrives
Polanco- up permanently sooner than anyone currently thinks
Tonkin- reliever for Twins next 3-4 years before becoming a journeyman
Pressly- reliever for Twins next 4-5 years before becoming a journeyman

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:32 PM

Exactly the positivity I was looking for... There is some hope in these guys (not all of them but some)

if Seth is your idea of hope and positivity, what's a negative opinion?