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#1 stringer bell

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 07:48 PM

I predicted that tonight would be the Twins virtual low ebb and the product on the field looks helpless right now against a lower tier opponent at home.I understand that all things go in cycles--the starting pitching has been horrid for a full turn, but they've been better than that.The team will hit better, especially with runners in scoring position, and they will make more plays in the field.That doesn't change that this is a bad club and they are right now light years away from contention.

 

There is no reason to keep veterans that won't be around as soon as next year.Trade or release all of the guys on the last year of their contract--Willingham, Burton, Suzuki, Correia--and play the guys with upside.We've seen Darnell, Johnson, and Pino make a few starts.They may or may not be able to fill out a rotation, but the arms that compete with the good arms in the American League are in the minors.Meyer and May certainly need to get a half dozen or more starts each. 

 

I would also tell Gardy that he was out at the end of the year and if he wanted a job in the organization, he could resign now or wait and be fired at the end of the season.Personally, I would like to see the Pohlads hire someone from outside the organization to be a new GM, but I would settle for hiring an outsider as Ryan's successor-in-waiting.

 

In my estimation, there isn't a lot of dead wood amongst the position players, except for the expiring contracts.There are way too many soft tossers and aging hurlers on the staff and that has to change.I actually think there has been a change in the minors, but it hasn't been reflected yet on the Twins.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 07:53 PM

I'd like an interim manager.  Gardenhire really does just look exhausted -- how could anyone have any enthusiasm anymore?

 

Then a GM from outside the organization who has complete authority to hire his own team -- both in baseball ops and as field staff.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 07:57 PM

It's hard not to have watched the last 9 games and think about the word "quit".  And that would be something new under Gardy, even for these last three years.

 

I know they're just not very good, but they are managing to look even worse.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 08:08 PM

It's hard not to have watched the last 9 games and think about the word "quit".  And that would be something new under Gardy, even for these last three years.
 


Go back and look at their performance in September the last three years.
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 08:20 PM

A sweep at home.... at the hands of the White Sox.... would be tough to swallow. The Twins are playing terrible right now. I have to agree, that it would be tough for Gardy to be enthusiastic while heading for a 4th straight 90 loss season. I don't blame him. I really think he'd be a better manager of a team like the Dodgers or Yankees anyway. 

 

There is too much negativity surrounding this team. Hopefully we will have something to be excited about again soon.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 08:26 PM

That 5-2 road stretch right before the All-Star break looks like it happened 5 years ago instead of 3 weeks ago.  No one's hitting on a consistent basis and the starting pitching is back to its usual putrid self.  I agree that they need to move all of those names you mentioned but I wouldn't DFA any of them if no other teams wants them in a trade.  Cards signing of AJ killed any thoughts of dealing with them for Suzuki.  Not really sure any other contenders need a catcher.  Willingham's average is so bad, we'd get hardly anything for him.  And I don't know who would really want Correia now.  He was mediocre, at best, as a Padre and a Pirate.  However, if he did go somewhere else and prospered in the last 2 months of the season, that would train my spotlight squarely on Rick Anderson.  I had hoped with everyone's contract up last year that he wouldn't be brought back.  I didn't have a problem with Gardy coming back nor would I have a problem with him continuing.  He didn't have much to work with last year (plus injuries) and this year is looking much the same.  But when you invest the money that they did with this pitching staff and you get crap out of Pelfrey, Nolasco, and Correia, a philosophy needs to change.  Because all 'pitch to contact' is doing is making the outfielders turn and run to the wall to retrieve another double.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 08:52 PM

Fire Gardy and TR.

Trade or cut the old guys.

Bring up some young guys.

Start over.

How many ninety loss seasons does a leadership team get?
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What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 08:57 PM

How many ninety loss seasons does a leadership team get?

 

 

We shall find out...

 

I am pretty sure that Gardy is on his way out (as soon as the Minors are done so some coaches can come up, or even sooner.) 

 

I am pretty sure that Ryan will be gone too for health reasons

 

Replacing them with Antony and Molitor will do zip for this team though...

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 09:07 PM

I do not see Gardenhire or Ryan not being in their current positions next season. Love it or hate it - I do not see it happening.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 09:12 PM

I do not see Gardenhire or Ryan not being in their current positions next season. Love it or hate it - I do not see it happening.

 

I could see one of the two leaving on their own after the season, but I'd be shocked if both were gone.  A franchise that has been slow to change doesn't suddenly decide to completely change everything.  

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 09:38 PM

Susuki is dealt to Baltimore day of the deadline for a handful prospects we will all argue about as being good enough.

 

WIllingham won't be dealt before the deadline, but will be in August to Seattle after they strike out in obtaining a RH hitting OF at the deadline.

 

Correia will also be dealt in August to St. Louis for cash considerations of a PTBNL.  

 

With too many relievers out there on the block, Duensing, Fien and Burton stay put.  Though Burton's overall numbers are down, he has been as sharp as ever in his last 17 appearances. 15 IP, 8H, 2ER, 4BB, 13K.

 

I do think Gardy and Ryan will stay put and be in the same positions next season.  I also think we will see May and Meyer in August.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 09:44 PM

I guess if I had to prioritize a wish list (instead of "blow the whole damn thing up"), I'd go with:

1. Get all the aging veterans out of here. Release them, trade them for whatever value you can get. Meyer, May, Atcher, Polanco, Pinto, etc all need to be up here and playing. I can stomach watching another 90 loss season with the future....not so much with these stale aging vets.

2. Gardenhire gone. I guess I could live with him through the end of the year (and very likely will), but he is not who I want managing our new young, raw roster. It's time for a change. The fact he was extended two years last year makes my hair fall out even faster than my normal male pattern baldness allows....

(3) GM change. I am unsure on this. I like Ryan, and while he has some definite weaknesses I don't think it necessary for him to resign this year or next, especially if we can get 1 and 2 taken care of.
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 09:49 PM

A week from now I'll be watching a different team.Will it be the Twins or the Brewers remains to be seen, but it won't be these Twins. Willingham, Correia, Plouffe, for starters and maybe 3 others should all be on other teams.One week, that's it.And if Plouffe doesn't go, then we might as well keep the rest too, because this team will never be anything but last place fodder til Plouffe is gone.Mark my words. 

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 09:55 PM

Depends on who we can get.Would be nice to trade some of the veterans, but need value in return for most of them.Outside of Suzuki, do not see who we can get much value for, so do not expect much action.This is too bad, but just the way I see it.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 10:28 PM

I do not see Gardenhire or Ryan not being in their current positions next season. Love it or hate it - I do not see it happening.


How many did TK get?

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 11:14 PM

At this point I hope the organization would just try and give the Rochester fans a playoff competitive team this year. They've suffered as long as we have and at least they have a shot. Maybe best for the prospects to be a part of a winning team rather than this sad mess. Play the season out with whatever we aren't able to trade off. Clean house in the off season. TheTwins coaching staff and front office needs a major airing out not just another reshuffling. This fan's interest level is at an all-time low. Hopefully just the darkness before the dawn. 


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:01 AM

I don't think much will change.Ryan has Pohlad's confidence that he can cheaply fix the team's problems and put a 75-win team on the field.Sadly, 75 wins appears to be the new standard of quality for the Twins.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 05:39 AM

We shall find out...

 

I am pretty sure that Gardy is on his way out (as soon as the Minors are done so some coaches can come up, or even sooner.) 

 

I am pretty sure that Ryan will be gone too for health reasons

 

Replacing them with Antony and Molitor will do zip for this team though...

 

What health reasons? The SCC was treated. Is there a nother condition that your inside information has slipped to you?


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 05:52 AM

How many did TK get?

 

One (1).After the threat for contraction was gone, TK had a single season and was gone.If you are going to contract the team who cares who the manager in the last season is and what the team's record would be...  

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 06:27 AM

TK retired if I remember right.He wasn't forced out.And let's not forget that there were some periods of pretty poor play during his tenure as well. 

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