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#21 Celebrity Weddings!

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:21 AM

This was such a strange article. It actually works pretty well to kind of poke at some of the epistemological issues that come along with scouting amateurs, but its focus on Gordon meant taking a big pass at those big ideas in exchange for ... something else. In any case, there's a big question in the middle of this that he straight passes on. 

 

When Gordon was picked, not even two months ago, he wasn't regarded as an overdraft by any of the usual sources. In that time, he's signed and held his own in an aggressive early assignment for an 18 year old. 

 

It's a really odd thing for Stoltz to call in the support of some scouts he talked to and who supported his overall "meh" evaluation without answer the question of what, precisely, he thinks happened in the not-yet-two-months. I'm open to the idea that it's something. But it has to be something for this to be worth writing, doesn't it? That he showed up and all the tools just play a little less loudly then they did on the showcase circuit. That his solid performance so far should be even better. Instead we get "It’s funny how things change so much right after the draft, though."

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

This was such a strange article. It actually works pretty well to kind of poke at some of the epistemological issues that come along with scouting amateurs, but its focus on Gordon meant taking a big pass at those big ideas in exchange for ... something else. In any case, there's a big question in the middle of this that he straight passes on. 

 

When Gordon was picked, not even two months ago, he wasn't regarded as an overdraft by any of the usual sources. In that time, he's signed and held his own in an aggressive early assignment for an 18 year old. 

 

It's a really odd thing for Stoltz to call in the support of some scouts he talked to and who supported his overall "meh" evaluation without answer the question of what, precisely, he thinks happened in the not-yet-two-months. I'm open to the idea that it's something. But it has to be something for this to be worth writing, doesn't it? That he showed up and all the tools just play a little less loudly then they did on the showcase circuit. That his solid performance so far should be even better. Instead we get "It’s funny how things change so much right after the draft, though."

 

I agree with you here.  A lot of top analysts had Gordon high in the end.  Some as high as number 3.  So there obviously is something there that they liked beyond blood lines.  Also there is a huge difference between 18 and 21.  Gordon won't even be playing in the Appy league at 21 so comparing him to the loud tools Max is showing seems unfair.  He will grow as a player with experience and put on muscle that will help him develop those loud tools everyone thinks he will develop.  It is way to early to determine how good he will be.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:51 AM

In Law's mid season update he had Gordon ranked #25, only behind Rodon for 2014 draftees, so there is upside. Gordon just seems to get knocked because he doesn't have any flashy tools like Buxton's 80 speed or Sano's 80 power. What is wrong with a guy that can do everything well? A plus defensive SS who can hold his own at the plate is a 3 WAR player.
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Posted 27 July 2014 - 11:57 AM

People need to remember that the early version of Yunel Escobar was really good even if he wasn't acknowledged for it.His first 3 seasons he had an .800 OPS.Things went downhill fast when he approached 30 though.If gordon hits .290/.375/.425/.800 with more SB's and better defense then the Twins have an all star SS.

I look forward to the day that a pitching prospect is truly blocked by good pitchers.