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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:02 AM

Not a surprise - http://www.mlbtrader...ards-peavy.html

Also lists Reds and Pirates as possible destinations for Willingham. Obviously, Twins and Pirates have made a few moves together the last few years and the Pirates system is one of the richest in the game.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:07 AM

Brewers have fallen back to earth, so four teams in that division may be buyers at the deadline.

#3 TheLeviathan

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:11 AM

Hopefully it happens and it isn't just talk. And hopefully people realize the returns aren't going to make us jump for joy (most likely) and that's ok too.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:27 AM

Something is better than nothing - if all the Twins do before the deadline is make room in the rotation for May and/or Meyer, that would be a step in the right direction.

I'm hopeful for more than that, though.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:35 AM

Not a surprise - http://www.mlbtrader...ards-peavy.html

Also lists Reds and Pirates as possible destinations for Willingham. Obviously, Twins and Pirates have made a few moves together the last few years and the Pirates system is one of the richest in the game.

With the way Twins----> Pirates players end up performing, let me say that I personally can't wait to see Willingham hit 30 HR in 60 games for them and Correia turn into the ace he always had inside him.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:41 AM

Hopefully it happens and it isn't just talk. And hopefully people realize the returns aren't going to make us jump for joy (most likely) and that's ok too.

Yeah, the only one I can see bringing back a solid haul is Suzuki.

The bummer with Willingham has always been that it is never that hard to get no field big bat type guys on the FA market/trade deadline. Maybe he can heat up a bit though and Ryan can get someone to overpay a bit (He has done it before for sure)

Correia is what he is, a solid #5 who is better then what you can get from the waiver wire, but not THAT much better where you are going to part with a legitimate prospect. However I could see them getting back a cost controllable bullpen arm in return or a lottery ticket type prospect.

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#7 TheLeviathan

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:44 AM

Yeah, the only one I can see bringing back a solid haul is Suzuki.

The bummer with Willingham has always been that it is never that hard to get no field big bat type guys on the FA market/trade deadline. Maybe he can heat up a bit though and Ryan can get someone to overpay a bit (He has done it before for sure)

Correia is what he is, a solid #5 who is better then what you can get from the waiver wire, but not THAT much better where you are going to part with a legitimate prospect. However I could see them getting back a cost controllable bullpen arm in return or a lottery ticket type prospect.


Or target some other team's talented headcase or scuffling prospect. Lots of ways to squeeze value out of these guys - we just have to do it. Too many quiet deadlines lately.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:59 AM

Hopefully it happens and it isn't just talk. And hopefully people realize the returns aren't going to make us jump for joy (most likely) and that's ok too.


I'll only be upset if they again trade a vet who takes up one 40 man spot (and who would be off of it as a free agent come November) for two AAAA guys who both require 40 man spots.

This happened two deadlines in a row and it needs to stop.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:02 AM

Or target some other team's talented headcase or scuffling prospect. Lots of ways to squeeze value out of these guys - we just have to do it. Too many quiet deadlines lately.


Correia for Delmon young.

Get it done Terry!

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:19 AM

Also remember that after July 31st it isn't over - we can trade guys in August too. That's when we dealed Morneau. So don't be too angry if we exit July without a trade yet.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:26 AM

Also remember that after July 31st it isn't over - we can trade guys in August too. That's when we dealed Morneau. So don't be too angry if we exit July without a trade yet.


Trades in August get more complicated as the Twins wouldn't be able to necessarily choose which teams they want to deal with. That doesn't matter much regarding Morales, Willingham, or Correia, none of whom will bring back much anyway. But IMO Suzuki needs to be traded before the end of July.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:26 AM

August trades are a bit more complicated. The player needs to pass through waivers to be traded to anyone. If the player is claimed, only one team can be traded with or the Twins could choose to give the guy away.

I'd put the over/under on 2.1 players getting traded by the Twins. For all the talk about trading, seeing tons of guys move just doesn't happen. There's contracts as well as logistics to get scouts out there to look at potential targets. The one big advantage the Twins have this year is that they have veterans who aren't in the long term plans playing well at some positions of need.

That said, pulling off trades can be somewhat difficult and Ryan, to his credit, isn't going to trade just for making a trade.... the only real exception to that which I see would be KC given that there's some AAA guys making a case for a roster spot.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:27 AM

With the way Twins----> Pirates players end up performing, let me say that I personally can't wait to see Willingham hit 30 HR in 60 games for them and Correia turn into the ace he always had inside him.

Justin Morneau would like to argue you point about Twins players going to the Pirates and performing. I think it only applies to our pitchers. So you're prediction about Correia is clearly accurate.

You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:39 AM

Justin Morneau would like to argue you point about Twins players going to the Pirates and performing. I think it only applies to our pitchers. So you're prediction about Correia is clearly accurate.


True. I was more referring to the Golden Calf (Garrett Jones) however.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:44 AM

Hoping they move:
Willingham
Suzuki
Correia
Perkins
Burton
Morales

My bets:
Suzuki
Willingham

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:48 AM

Hoping they move:
Willingham
Suzuki
Correia
Perkins
Burton
Morales

My bets:
Suzuki
Willingham

I'd put Willingham and Correia at about 90% chances.
Morales, Burton and Suzuki around 50% (Suzuki I still think might sign)
and Perkins at 1%

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:58 AM

Something is better than nothing - if all the Twins do before the deadline is make room in the rotation for May and/or Meyer, that would be a step in the right direction.

I'm hopeful for more than that, though.


I completely agree.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:59 AM

August trades are a bit more complicated. The player needs to pass through waivers to be traded to anyone. If the player is claimed, only one team can be traded with or the Twins could choose to give the guy away.

I'd put the over/under on 2.1 players getting traded by the Twins. For all the talk about trading, seeing tons of guys move just doesn't happen. There's contracts as well as logistics to get scouts out there to look at potential targets. The one big advantage the Twins have this year is that they have veterans who aren't in the long term plans playing well at some positions of need.

That said, pulling off trades can be somewhat difficult and Ryan, to his credit, isn't going to trade just for making a trade.... the only real exception to that which I see would be KC given that there's some AAA guys making a case for a roster spot.


I agree, KC and Josh need to be moved by 7/31. The price will only go down after that. To your point, you have the waiver process and the difference between getting a guy on 7/31 versus 8/31 is they can help your team for another 30 days if they go on 7/31.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:06 AM

Here are my 3 trades. I just don't see the guys under contract (Dozier, Perkins) going anywhere and I don't think Correia has trade value.

1. Suzuki to the Dodgers for Tom Windle and Darnell Sweeney. Windle is a former Gopher LHP that is a top 10 prospect in the fairly strong Dodger org. Looks to be a back end starter that could also fill a relief role. Sweeney is a lower end prospect that plays some 2B, SS, and OF. Has some speed and power, but tends to strike out too much. The Dodgers are in win-now mode and Suzuki would present a solid upgrade over AJ Ellis and former TD favorite, Drew Butera.

2. Morales to the Mariners for Tyler Marlette. Marlette is a catcher and the #10 prospect in a fairly weak Mariner's organization. Reports are that he could be a major league starter or may end up as a solid #2. The Mariner's have a young catcher in Zunino, so they may not value that position as much going forward. If the Twins don't believe Pinto will stick behind the plate, this would be a nice prospect that the organization could use. There may be some hesitation about bringing back Morales, but if the Mariners have any hope of making the playoffs they need to score runs. Morales has looked a lot better in July and could play some 1B and DH while providing them a solid bat in the middle of their order.

3. Willingham to the Reds for AA pitcher Jon Moscot. Moscot doesn't have a high upside, but is a top 15 prospect in a so-so Red's farm system. He doesn't have a lot of upside, but could become a #4 or #5 starter. He also appears to throw a lot of strikes, which is something the Twins have generally valued. Reds really need to add a hitter with Votto and Phillips out and Willingham could slide into LF and the #6 spot in the line-up.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:08 AM

I want to know which player is the .1?

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