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#91 Dman

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:14 PM



Someone help me with the logic here. It is best to sign him to an extension that is so high that you could likely sign him in the off season for less? They are afraid if they trade him someone else will extend him? Or they are afraid no matter what they do they can't outbid other teams for his services in FA?

How will the catchers we have get better unless they get experience? I am not understanding the extension logic for such a high price.

#92 jorgenswest

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:19 PM

Any leaked news that the Twins are looking to keep or even extend Suzuki might give a little more leverage.

#93 Jeremy Nygaard

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:38 PM

Both the Cardinals and Orioles have comp picks.

Harvey's stock has improved (up to #35 in BA's midseason Top 50), while Rodriguez has dropped off a bit (only in two of four's personal Top 75).

The Twins tried to get Rodriguez from the Orioles for Willingham last August. Would the Orioles still have interest in Hammer with Steve Pearce playing well? Maybe Suzuki and Hammer could bring back Rodriguez and the Comp B pick?

The Cardinals have three appealing pitchers - Marco Gonzalez, Rob Kaminsky and Alex Reyes. One of them and the Comp A pick for Suzuki and the Comp B pick? Comp picks can only be traded once, though, and that chip seems to be one they want to play for David Price.

If the Twins had to throw in a lower-level pitcher (or a mid-level reliever) and/or money to make the pot sweeter, I'd still pull the trigger.

The Twins would be making a huge mistake not cashing in their biggest asset.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:46 PM

Mlbtraderumors just said St. Louis is close on AJ.

On one hand you can get mad at Ryan for not acting sooner. On the other the reality is the Cardinals probably weren't going to give up anything of substance.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:53 PM


#96 chopper0080

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 08:17 PM


Classic Twins. Be terrified of losing a 32 year old catcher.

#97 drock2190

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 08:22 PM

If the Twins sign Suzuki for a multi year deal it will be a mistake.

You can take that to the bank.

#98 jorgenswest

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 09:33 PM

If the other teams don't value Suzuki enough to offer a moderate return, it should also be a sign that he won't be valued at the level of Ruiz or Salty in the market this winter.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 06:46 AM

The Twins should actively target the Dodgers with Suzuki. Offense from their catchers is non-existent, and they have a slew of interesting prospects. Maybe Suzuki and Duensing or another bullpen arm would make them listen on Joc Pederson.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 07:25 AM

The Twins should actively target the Dodgers with Suzuki. Offense from their catchers is non-existent, and they have a slew of interesting prospects. Maybe Suzuki and Duensing or another bullpen arm would make them listen on Joc Pederson.


Could even add Adam Brett Walker.
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 07:45 AM

The Twins should actively target the Dodgers with Suzuki. Offense from their catchers is non-existent, and they have a slew of interesting prospects. Maybe Suzuki and Duensing or another bullpen arm would make them listen on Joc Pederson.


I highly doubt this is the type of deal that would make the Dodgers willing to part with Pederson, their top prospect. I think we need to set our expectations a little lower such as a Chris Reed, Matt Magill, Tim Windle type prospect.

#102 TheLeviathan

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 07:46 AM

Could even add Adam Brett Walker.


Shhhh! You're calling him up too early for that position!
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#103 jokin

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 08:15 AM

I highly doubt this is the type of deal that would make the Dodgers willing to part with Pederson, their top prospect. I think we need to set our expectations a little lower such as a Chris Reed, Matt Magill, Tim Windle type prospect.

Throw in Perkins and the Dodgers might listen on a package that included Pederson.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:38 AM

If the Dodgers won't trade Pederson or Seager for David Price, we are dreaming that a Suzuki package would net either.

The focus should be the Orioles. The Orioles. They are 3 games up on both NY and Toronto, and TB is only 6.5 back after winning 9 straight. Nick Hundley is 0-17 in the past 2 weeks and Caleb Joseph is hitting .197.

Stars are aligned for a trade. If the O's lose today or a couple of games before Thursday, the Twins' leverage would increase.

If I were TR, I would say "tell me who I need to add to Suzuki to pry Dylan Bundy (or Hunter Harvey) free."

#105 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 06:31 AM

The O's match up well.  I don't think you get Bundy, but TR probably starts there and 'settles' for someone a bit lower on the chain. 


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:34 AM

I admire the optimism, but the don't think there is any chance they get a Bundy or Harvey in a deal centered on Suzuki - unless they add top 10 prospect back. From the Twins perspective, it's good to see the Yankees continue to deal, and force the issue though. Hopefully that will make the Orioles sweat a little and do something stupid. 


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 02:23 PM

Shhhh! You're calling him up too early for that position!


I think the requirement is that Duensing has to be traded first for Walker to take his role.

#108 TheLeviathan

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 06:02 PM

I think the requirement is that Duensing has to be traded first for Walker to take his role.

 

Oh yeah...but it's clearly his spot to take soon!


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 12:43 PM

I don't think Suzuki will get traded until the deadline as most teams who might be interested in his services also need pitching depth so will have to see what resources teams use to acquire pitching before they turn to Hitters.  

 

The one team it seems to me that should be very interested in Suzuki is the Mariners.  That team needs all the offense they can get.  They already have a good pitching staff but they need hitters.  Suzuki would give them what they need most which is a dependable bat.

 

 LAD could use an offensive catcher as well and if they want to beat the Cardinals they need hitters at every position.  They have two offensive (literally and figuratively) black holes at catcher.  Suzuki would be a big upgrade for them as well.  

 

the Orioles could use a catcher but I think they could use an ace or near ace pitcher more.  It will take to the deadline to see where the chips fall and what desperation can bring the Twins way.


#110 tobi0040

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 12:51 PM

I don't think Suzuki will get traded until the deadline as most teams who might be interested in his services also need pitching depth so will have to see what resources teams use to acquire pitching before they turn to Hitters.  

 

The one team it seems to me that should be very interested in Suzuki is the Mariners.  That team needs all the offense they can get.  They already have a good pitching staff but they need hitters.  Suzuki would give them what they need most which is a dependable bat.

 

 LAD could use an offensive catcher as well and if they want to beat the Cardinals they need hitters at every position.  They have two offensive (literally and figuratively) black holes at catcher.  Suzuki would be a big upgrade for them as well.  

 

the Orioles could use a catcher but I think they could use an ace or near ace pitcher more.  It will take to the deadline to see where the chips fall and what desperation can bring the Twins way.

 

But the flip side is Suzuki is not going to cost the O's what an ace or close to it pitcher would.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 01:10 PM

Add Jim Bowden to the Suzuki to the O's bandwagon:

 

http://insider.espn....leastobjectives

 

Lefty pitcher Tim Berry to the Minnesota Twins in exchange for Suzuki. The Twins have been unable to extend Suzuki and are still looking to build up their pitching staff for the future. Berry would give them a solid No. 3 starter, while the Orioles would get the perfect stopgap for the injured Matt Wieters.  
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#112 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 01:17 PM

Berry strikes me as a mid rotation starter kind of guy... Not doing bad at all in AA.   Would like that K rate to be a up a bit, but at 7.5/9, he's not bad. 


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 02:03 PM

Berry strikes me as a mid rotation starter kind of guy... Not doing bad at all in AA.   Would like that K rate to be a up a bit, but at 7.5/9, he's not bad. 

 

 

Berry is already on the 40-man roster (must have been added last winter to protect him from the Rule 5), which could be a reason for Baltimore to move him in trade.  This is the first of his three option years.  (50th round draft pick from 2009!)

 

Sickels had him at C+, #10 for Baltimore preseason, "potential fourth starter."

 

He is a LHP, and his stats remind me a bit of Logan Darnell, although Darnell needed to repeat AA at age 24 to get that K rate up to respectable levels.  Berry's K rate has been pretty consistent his whole career.


#114 Dman

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 02:43 PM

Add Jim Bowden to the Suzuki to the O's bandwagon:

 

http://insider.espn....leastobjectives

 

Hmm.  I thought the O's would be all in and their pitching isn't great but maybe they feel the top prospects are ready soon or worth waiting for?  I would think they would be interested in Price or Lester. I guess the cost must be way too high.  Would be cool if they want Suzuki but I would hope we could find a guy not on the 40 man and maybe with a higher ceiling but I am probably dreaming.


#115 drjim

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 03:13 PM

Hmm.  I thought the O's would be all in and their pitching isn't great but maybe they feel the top prospects are ready soon or worth waiting for?  I would think they would be interested in Price or Lester. I guess the cost must be way too high.  Would be cool if they want Suzuki but I would hope we could find a guy not on the 40 man and maybe with a higher ceiling but I am probably dreaming.

 

Probably dreaming. Berry is a solid return for 2 months of Suzuki. Just don't think higher ceiling arms get moved for position player rentals.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:42 PM

Probably dreaming. Berry is a solid return for 2 months of Suzuki. Just don't think higher ceiling arms get moved for position player rentals.


That's probably true, but I'd imagine the further down on the list you get, the more upside you can receive. There's generally a lot more upside down in the lower levels simply b/c they haven't matured. As it is, this team has a bit of a pitching glut in the majors/high minors with Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Meyer, May, Darnell, Pelfrey, Gilmartin, Berrios, and even marginal guys like Johnson and Pino. Adding one more to that mix isn't going to help sort that picture out. I get the 40 man considerations, but I do think that there's merit in getting guys lower on the totem pole. Unless Baltimore is sending over an above average corner OF or C that can slot in sometime next year, I think I'd prefer going further down the ladder. In the end, Ryan will take the best value. Berry isn't a bad take at all for this, but I'd be holding out for a bit more.

#117 Shane Wahl

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:45 PM

Berry was a guy I discussed last season for Morneau.


#118 Kirby_waved_at_me

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 09:49 AM

Read an update on MLB trade Rumors that Suzuki was also being scouted by the Giants... the Twins have had success trading catchers to San Fran before....

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 01:39 PM

  1. #Orioles out on Kurt Suzuki -- Per @Joelsherman1 and @Ken_Rosenthal .


#120 whydidnt

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 01:45 PM

Well, as much as I'm an advocate for getting something for Suzuki rather than letting him walk....if a team like the Orioles is unwilling to give up something with some sort of future potential, then I say hold on to him. No sense in giving him away just to help the Orioles or any other team win.