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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 03:50 PM

5 innings, 5 er, 3bb, 3hits, 2 homers, 4ks.

The concern with him has been that his stuff is too flat and good hitters will hit it over the wall.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 03:56 PM

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    Radcliff saw Berrios (5 ER, 5 IP) at AA today. "Threw hard. Used all his pitches. Good approach and learning day. Scouting assessment good."


    As with Burdi, let's give him a few outings to settle in before we reach any conclusions.

#3 TheLeviathan

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:01 PM

All part of prospect growth. Glad it's happening now and not next year.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:19 PM

All part of prospect growth. Glad it's happening now and not next year.


Exactly. It's interesting how the baseball gods just seem to sit and wait for opportunities to provide lessons in humility just about the time everyone in the world starts telling you how good you are.

Those lessons make good players better in the long run.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:01 PM

So he gave up 3 hits in 18 at bats. 2 mistakes resulting in HRs. 4 Ks in 5 innings. a little wild with 3 walks probably nerves. How is this a bad performance besides the 2 HRs. I mean even with the 3 walks he had a WHIP of 1.2 which is better than a lot of players on our team now.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:41 PM

This was posted at minorleague ball as well. Sickel's two word response: "he'll adjust."

Good to hear the scouting view of him was solid. Still like him as a prospect and it's good completely agree with Leviathan that he's learning this year.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:14 PM

For about 1/2 hour last night, I chatted With Gary Lucas who was Berrios's pitching coach in Ft. Myers this year and Cedar Rapids last year. He says he's ready. Obviously I'll write more about this, but he was incredibly complimentary of Berrios.

Obviously we all know that it's not going to be easy for a 20 year old to face guys who are 4-7 years older than him

Also, expect Berrios to skip a start or two following the Futures Game, just to keep his innings down. He was at 103 last year, and he's already right about there. They'd like to see him get to 145-150 innings this year.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:22 PM

20 years old and already in AA facing lineups that sit, generally, at ages 22 on the low side to 27 on the high. Only one start, probably excited and nervous, might not have even slept last night, and still wasn't shelled.

Honestly, I was expecting something like this for his first start, possibly hit harder even.

Seth, can't wait to hear what you have to share from Lucas.

My prediction? A couple more rough or so-so starts followed by some real good ones that will make people wonder if he goes back to AA to start 2015, probably, whether he jumps straight to AAA, probably not, and speculation how long he'll be in AA before promotion if not.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:17 PM

looks like he only has about 50 innings left this season based on what Seth just posted. So he'll likely be back at AA next year to start the season. That's ok. Next year he'll only be a phone call away whether at AA or when he goes to AAA eventually.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:39 PM

Exactly! If he is what I think he is, what a lot of us believe he is, he'll be pushing for Rochester by the all star break.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 03:42 AM

Obviously we all know that it's not going to be easy for a 20 year old to face guys who are 4-7 years older than him.


ouch! that is not writing the storybook chapter.
............. and what about the 24 year old that is pitching to a 28-31 year old? I think age is so very very over rated.

Edited by h2oface, 10 July 2014 - 03:44 AM.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 07:47 AM

This is actually why I wanted him up this year, and am glad he is. Adjusting this year, not next. Not worried at all at this point, though the HR ball is the concern that some scouts have with him.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 08:28 AM

My prediction? A couple more rough or so-so starts followed by some real good ones that will make people wonder if he goes back to AA to start 2015, probably, whether he jumps straight to AAA, probably not, and speculation how long he'll be in AA before promotion if not.


My guess is that no matter what happens, Berrios will start 2015 in New Britain. He's not going to get many innings at AA this season before he's shut down and the Twins won't feel a need to rush the kid. By all accounts he has tremendous stuff and an even better head on his shoulders but starting him in AA next season gives him a better opportunity to succeed. They can easily promote him to Rochester at any time during the season.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 08:34 AM

This is actually why I wanted him up this year, and am glad he is. Adjusting this year, not next. Not worried at all at this point, though the HR ball is the concern that some scouts have with him.


Also a big reason I would like to see Meyer and May get some starts in the bigs. It is always nice as an athlete to know what you need to work on. Then you can set a plan and work it. One of the most difficult things is to not know what you need to do which can lead to delayed development. By being promoted at this point of the season, Berrios is going to be able to go into the offseason with a better idea of what he needs to work on. That is important for a young player. IT should be the same for May and Meyer. Call them up after the All Star break, let them get a feel for the difference between AAA and the Pros, and let them go into the offseason with an idea of where they need to improve. That way, to start 2015, they can head into Spring Training with the best opportunity to make the roster.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 09:55 AM

Agree with all of you.

Get Meyer and May up sooner rather than later. Hopefully there's no horsing around with the Super 2 date next year. 2015 needs to be viewed as a year for contending and every game might count. If they can hang around .500 as long as they did this year, there's no reason that all of these guys shouldn't be on the table, April, May, June, whenever:

Meyer
May
Berrios
Burdi

Sano
Buxton
Vargas
Ortiz

The window starts to open next season - don't give a year away. Empty out the farm system. The only guys that shouldn't be considered available are probably Stewart, Gordon and maybe Polanco.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 10:28 AM

Berrios actually performed better than I expected. Outside of the jump to the pros going from A+ to AA is considered the hardest. Good for him.

As for May and Meyers I think they both need to see the bigs this year but in different roles. May needs to be in the rotation as soon as he is healthy. As for Meyer they aren't going to over work him this year so I doubt he starts in the bigs. Throwing him the Twins bullpen at the end of the year would at least give him a chance to face big league hitters.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:38 PM

ouch! that is not writing the storybook chapter.
............. and what about the 24 year old that is pitching to a 28-31 year old? I think age is so very very over rated.


Not really. Players peak on a pretty typical scale. 27-32 is considered the peak range when their production on average tops out. When a guy is getting the job done at age 24, that bodes very well for him as he ages. The 24 year old is still getting better. Given that Berrios is 20 and in AA, that's a very good thing, even if he ends up repeating AA to start next season.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:58 PM

ouch! that is not writing the storybook chapter.
............. and what about the 24 year old that is pitching to a 28-31 year old? I think age is so very very over rated.


It's not just age but experience.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:00 PM

Not really. Players peak on a pretty typical scale. 27-32 is considered the peak range when their production on average tops out. When a guy is getting the job done at age 24, that bodes very well for him as he ages. The 24 year old is still getting better. Given that Berrios is 20 and in AA, that's a very good thing, even if he ends up repeating AA to start next season.


Players peak earlier than that. Here's a recent Fangraphs article on hitters:

http://www.fangraphs...k-only-decline/

Pitchers:

http://www.fangraphs...-and-relievers/

So the typical peak age is more like 25-26. Of course individual players vary but there's nothing unusual about a talented player moving up the ranks at a young age. That's what we should expect to see.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:09 PM

Players peak earlier than that. Here's a recent Fangraphs article on hitters:

http://www.fangraphs...k-only-decline/

Pitchers:

http://www.fangraphs...-and-relievers/

So the typical peak age is more like 25-26. Of course individual players vary but there's nothing unusual about a talented player moving up the ranks at a young age. That's what we should expect to see.


Yeah, I've read a couple of articles that suggest the previously thought 26-28 peak years are now trending toward 25-27.