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#1 scottz

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 04:03 PM

The Cubs picked up shortstop prospect Addison Russell, adding to their bank of highly touted shortstops (Javier Baez and Starlin Castro). There is already talk (of course, there is always talk) that the Cubs could/would/need to move somebody.

At age 24, Castro is in his 5th year of MLB and is signed through 2019 with a team option in 2020:
2014 -- $5MM
2015 -- $6MM
2016 -- $7MM
2017 -- $9MM
2018 -- $10MM
2019 -- $11MM
2020 -- $16MM (Team option, $1MM buyout)

His slash line is .283/.324/.412 (.736).

What would you be willing to give up for Starlin Castro?

Or do you like Escobar and Santana and Polanco enough to not bother even thinking about it?

Edited by scottz, 05 July 2014 - 04:50 PM.
added Polanco


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 04:56 PM

I'd be all in favor. He's beaten that career line in four of five years.

It would be expensive though.

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 05:05 PM

They would want Meyer plus someone else as a starting point I'm guessing.

I'm not a huge fan of Castro, he really hasnt improved that much since hes been in the league. No need to pay for a hot streak as last year he hit .245 with a .284 OBP. That doesnt excite me. I dont know how his defense plays these days but I remember he had a lot of throwing errors when he came up.

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 06:11 PM

To costly in what they would want back in pitching or prospects, and would Castro make that much a difference that he would make this a playoff team? No, the A's are going for it now because they realize there window of contention is the here and now and you need to win a championship when the opportunity is there in front of you like it is for them. This might be their year to go for it and Beane realizes that.
Twins are too far away right now.
They would want Meyer, Berrios, or a Buxton type as center piece of any deal along with a Dozier or Arcia type controllable player. I like Santana and or Polanco down the road anyways as the Twins next short stop. Castro is a nice player but we lack and have to many holes on this team for a player like Castro to be effective with this group.

Edited by jaimedude2, 05 July 2014 - 06:13 PM.


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 06:54 PM

To costly in what they would want back in pitching or prospects, and would Castro make that much a difference that he would make this a playoff team? No, the A's are going for it now because they realize there window of contention is the here and now and you need to win a championship when the opportunity is there in front of you like it is for them. This might be their year to go for it and Beane realizes that.
Twins are too far away right now.
They would want Meyer, Berrios, or a Buxton type as center piece of any deal along with a Dozier or Arcia type controllable player. I like Santana and or Polanco down the road anyways as the Twins next short stop. Castro is a nice player but we lack and have to many holes on this team for a player like Castro to be effective with this group.

If "would player X make the Twins a playoff team" is the criteria for acquiring a player, they might as well acquire nobody, since that player doesn't exist.

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 09:49 PM

If "would player X make the Twins a playoff team" is the criteria for acquiring a player, they might as well acquire nobody, since that player doesn't exist.

I think the Twins should get a lot closer to contention before trading off prospects. If/When the team is competitive with a nucleus of Buxton/Sano/Meyer then you can worry about trading a Kohl Stewart for an elite shortstop (if the team hasn't found an internal one).

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 10:35 PM

Ya, no sense in getting better year over year, and getting to competitiveness faster. Add one player a year, then maybe ma ke trades....the anti MN wild plan.

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 11:20 PM

We may have to get worse to get better. My best guess is the first big wave will arrive in 2016, that is why I expect the Twins should trade better players now and get more prospects back. Perkins will be 33 and Dozier 32 in 2016. My feeling is that 33-35 is the end for most big league players in the new non roid era. Therefore players who will not contribute or be in decline at that time need to be moved now while there value is high, not when the sure thing prospect replaces them.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 08:38 AM

Ya, no sense in getting better year over year, and getting to competitiveness faster. Add one player a year, then maybe ma ke trades....the anti MN wild plan.


I don't follow hockey but my understanding is that the wild are pretty mediocre despite making big splashes in FA. Not that the two sports are comparable.

Before this season, the Twins could probably have traded Buxton or Sano for David Price, straight up. That would have made this team, say, 42-44. Would that have made sense? They have elite foundation pieces coming up - players considered on par with Joe Mauer when he was a prospect. Ryan has added complementary players in both free agency and trades to go with that core.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 08:56 AM

I don't follow hockey but my understanding is that the wild are pretty mediocre despite making big splashes in FA. Not that the two sports are comparable.


Mediocre? Yeah, that's complete nonsense.

Ryan has added complementary players in both free agency and trades to go with that core.


Even rebuilding teams have to add older complementary pieces, this is true. Signing them to two or three year deals? Signing ones with a snowballs chance in Arizona of having trade value? 40 man cloggers? These are optional decisions. Ryan needs to act like a rebuilder this month, he's yet to do that since this second stint.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 09:09 AM

Ryan needs to act like a rebuilder this month, he's yet to do that since this second stint.


I guess I don't follow your logic. Since he came back, I don't think he's let any potential free agent walk. Just because he didn't trade Span for a lesser package at the 2012 deadline doesn't mean he wasn't rebuilding or right to wait for the Nats to agree to his terms, for instance. I suppose he could have gone scorched earth like the Astros and tried to get the team to lose 110 games.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 09:25 AM

I guess I don't follow your logic. Since he came back, I don't think he's let any potential free agent walk. Just because he didn't trade Span for a lesser package at the 2012 deadline doesn't mean he wasn't rebuilding or right to wait for the Nats to agree to his terms, for instance. I suppose he could have gone scorched earth like the Astros and tried to get the team to lose 110 games.


I listed the mistakes that are getting annoying.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 10:46 AM

I think the Twins should get a lot closer to contention before trading off prospects. If/When the team is competitive with a nucleus of Buxton/Sano/Meyer then you can worry about trading a Kohl Stewart for an elite shortstop (if the team hasn't found an internal one).

The key question, of course, is "how do you get a lot closer to contention?"

Throwing all your eggs in the "wait till the minor league stars become big league stars, all at the same time" basket has its own set of risks.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 11:07 AM

Considering they just got the A's to give them the #11 prospect in baseball for a less valuable player than Castro, that would probably eliminate every spec except Buxton and Sano for the centerpiece of a trade. And, considering that they already have an absurd amount of elite IF prospects, that would lead me to believe that Buxton would be their asking price.
No thanks. As much as I'd love to rebuild around Castro at a premium position like SS, Buxton to me is pretty much untouchable.

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 05:35 AM

Considering they just got the A's to give them the #11 prospect in baseball for a less valuable player than Castro, that would probably eliminate every spec except Buxton and Sano for the centerpiece of a trade. And, considering that they already have an absurd amount of elite IF prospects, that would lead me to believe that Buxton would be their asking price.
No thanks. As much as I'd love to rebuild around Castro at a premium position like SS, Buxton to me is pretty much untouchable.


Yep. This.

It will probably require Buxton to get Castro, maybe Meyer or Sano.

Is anyone here willing to give up Buxton for anything at this point?

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 06:22 AM

What about one of their "elite infield prospects"?

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:21 AM

I also assume the price would be much too lofty. Still, I'm not sure he's available. Just about everybody thinks Russell will not stick at SS at the MLB level and it's split whether Baez will.

It's really frustrating that the Cubs are awful but have these uber-valuable trade assets while the Twins are awufl and have only low-value players to deal. I'm not sure if it's more an indictment on the Cubs on field staff that they can't get a team with superior players to win more games, or if it's just confirmation that having a couple of good pieces isn't nearly enough to be competitive.



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