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#1 Badsmerf

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 08:05 AM

Who ends with better offensive numbers? Currently parmelee has a .736 ops to mauer's .692. Should we throw morneau in the mix too? He has an ops of .866 in case anyone was wondering.
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Posted 01 July 2014 - 08:19 AM

Parmelee probably won't get the opportunity to play everyday this year, so my guess is that his numbers will not fall too much over the course of the season.
Mauer's rate stats might be lower, but his counting stats will definitely be better, barring another injury.

And Morneau, that's good to see, though it stinks that he's doing it in Colorado instead of here.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 09:16 AM

Parmelee probably won't get the opportunity to play everyday this year, so my guess is that his numbers will not fall too much over the course of the season.
Mauer's rate stats might be lower, but his counting stats will definitely be better, barring another injury.

And Morneau, that's good to see, though it stinks that he's doing it in Colorado instead of here.


Lets not forget that last part, he's doing it in Colorado. I'm happy for Justin though, good to see him doing well out there.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 09:48 AM

Parms has been a nice surprise since being removed from the 40-man and reestablishing himself in AAA, but then again Chris Colabello was hitting real well for a minute there, too.

We could trade Mauer to open up 1b for Parmey, but it would be selling (very) low.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 10:02 AM

Lets not forget that last part, he's doing it in Colorado. I'm happy for Justin though, good to see him doing well out there.


Morneau does have a .823 road OPS this year, and a 125 OPS+. That's actually pretty darn close to his pre-concussion career 128 OPS+, and notably better than his 2011-2013 figure of 100 OPS+.

His BB rate is way down, but he also has a career low K rate which can be pretty darn valuable (I call it the Kurt Suzuki special).

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 10:51 AM

Let's all just be thrilled that after it SHOULD have happened last year, the man is finally getting some regular ABs and proving he isn't a throwaway.

If common sense isn't enough to make you oppose a Willingham extension/re-signing....than consider Parmelee as a good reason. He's been our best hitter for a month now and still is a pretty underrated fielder. The man needs daily ABs the rest of the year and all of next year I'd argue. So let's hope it continues.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 11:03 AM

Who ends with better offensive numbers? Currently parmelee has a .736 ops to mauer's .692. Should we throw morneau in the mix too? He has an ops of .866 in case anyone was wondering.

I will play the optimist/pessimist and predict that Parmelee will get regular playing time for the rest of the season by necessity. Because of the need, he'll be allowed to play through a slump and end the season with higher OPS and RBI than Mauer. I am optimistic that Parmelee will take advantage of his current situation and become the Cuddy type player on the field sans magic tricks, but every day RF and part time 1b

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 11:27 AM

I think over 500 Plate appearances, Mauer would overtake Parmelee on rate stats, his OBP is so good historically.
Assuming he gets playing time Parmelee should have more homers over 500 PA than Mauer, sure, probably more RBI by virtue of where he'll be hitting in the order, but Mauer is going to outperform him over the course of a full season. Even a diminished skill version of Mauer is a pretty good major league hitter.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 11:35 AM

Even a diminished skill version of Mauer is a pretty good major league hitter.

As a first baseman, the Mauer we've seen so far this year is barely above replacement level.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 11:36 AM

Let's all just be thrilled that after it SHOULD have happened last year, the man is finally getting some regular ABs and proving he isn't a throwaway.

If common sense isn't enough to make you oppose a Willingham extension/re-signing....than consider Parmelee as a good reason. He's been our best hitter for a month now and still is a pretty underrated fielder. The man needs daily ABs the rest of the year and all of next year I'd argue. So let's hope it continues.


Why not sign him to an extension?

The notion that everyday AB's is the cause of Parmelee's hot streak is preposterous. He got more AB's in May (when he OPSed .556), and more last September (when he OPSed .663) than he got this June.

I don't know if he made an adjustment or is getting lucky (he has only 1 HR over the past month). What almost certainly isn't the cuase of the hot streak though, is more AB's.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:00 PM

It would be really neat if Parmelee batted right handed and mashed lefties. Then he'd be a fantastic platoon partner for Mauer.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:08 PM

The past week, Parmelee has 19 PA, with 9 hits and 8 K's (and no walks). For the season, he's got career worst BB and K rates. I think Arcia and Parmelee have shown us before how volatile this combination is, I don't think it's worth reading much into small samples of success (Parm as a 2015 Willingham replacement? Really?). They've got to change those peripherals or have some more sustained success over the remainder of 2014 before I even think about penciling them into a job next year. (Note that I am in full favor of giving them lots of ABs this year to find out, especially as we are falling out of the race.)

Parmelee had a great two week stretch last June/July too, certainly more sustainable and arguably better than this one:

June 22-July 6, 2013: 47 PA, .325/.426/.675, 7/7 K/BB
June 14-June 30, 2014: 34 PA, .500/.529/.688, 9/2 K/BB

At the end of that streak last year, Parm was OPSing .729 for the season in 250 PA (480 PA season pace), starting over 4 of every 6 team games for over half a season. One bad week with a ~50% K rate wiped out 2/3 of his hot streak OPS gains and sent him to AAA. Now he's back, with slump and a streak and he's at .736 OPS in 106 PA in 2014.

Point is, he's a streaky hitter, and he isn't doing anything he hasn't done before.

Edited by spycake, 01 July 2014 - 12:11 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:06 PM

To me there is way too much enthusiasm in this thread over Parmelee or any of these types which the roster abounds with that are mere journeymen. And also way too many of those types holding down regular spots that will ensure yet another 90+ loss season. Yet there seems to be no move toward making a decision to either cashier this season or admit the franchise is rebuilding. I simply do not understand this attitude by either ownership or the managing of the team on the field, does anyone else?

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:27 PM

Seriously??? The only true evaluation of a player's performance for the season is to look at his stats at the end of September... Parmelee has a good 10 days and everyone is putting him on this pedestal... And comparing him to Mauer... Back in April, people were projecting Colabello as a 100+ RBI guy this year... Things change quickly... Players go through ups and downs... I think by the end of the season, Mauer will be somewhere around .300 and Parmelee will be somewhere south of .250... There is really no comparing the two players...

Edited by gmarais66, 01 July 2014 - 01:30 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:18 PM

Fact:
1.) Parmalee is a bench player
2.) Parmalee cannot hit a major league fastball
3.) If Parmalee is getting regular AB's, the Twins' season must be a major disappointment, as players we have been hoping would be part of our future(Arcia, Hicks,etc) have not been producing.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:46 PM

Opinion:
1.) parmalee is a bench player
2.) parmalee cannot hit a major league fastball
3.) if parmalee is getting regular ab's, the twins' season must be a major disappointment, as players we have been hoping would be part of our future(arcia, hicks,etc) have not been producing.


ftfy

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 04:05 PM

Mauer over or under on 60 RBI?

I say under.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 04:47 PM

ftfy

You're correct, JB-my opinion-my bad....

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 05:02 PM

I like Parms. :)

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 05:04 PM

Lets not forget that last part, he's doing it in Colorado. I'm happy for Justin though, good to see him doing well out there.


Well... He has OPS+ 150 at Coors and 135 on the road. Interestingly enough his road BABIP (.319) is slightly higher than his home (.310) and the HRs are close (8 to 5 home).
What Morneau is doing is not Coors' induced.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 05:38 PM

The past week, Parmelee has 19 PA, with 9 hits and 8 K's (and no walks). For the season, he's got career worst BB and K rates. I think Arcia and Parmelee have shown us before how volatile this combination is, I don't think it's worth reading much into small samples of success (Parm as a 2015 Willingham replacement? Really?).


With young players I think any bunch of success is something to hold on to. To be clear though, I'm not putting Parmelee on the road to the ASG or something. It's just been nice to see him getting regular at-bats again and producing.

Parms needs to play. His playing time has been every bit as streaky as his success and until the playing time stops being streaky, I'm not willing to accept that his production is streaky.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 10:18 PM

Give Mauer some time.


You really think Mauer is suffering from the same concussion thing Morneau did? I'm really not willing to accept it. I think the league has adjusted to Mauer and have taken away his slap singles and driven down his numbers because of it. Pitchers haven't been worried about throwing him strikes and he just isn't the same hitter.
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