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#1 DocBauer

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 05:16 PM

I know this subject might seem premature. The Twins have been flirting with .500 so far this season, as high as 2 games up, hovering about 4 games down before the ChiSox series. This team is still in a transitional phase, and I think some forget that. After 3 very disappointing, and downright lousy seasons, 2014 is fun and competitive, and already has had some great moments. There are arguements, all thoughtful, what the Twins SHOULD do the rest of the season. And most everyone is chomping at the bit to see prospects get their shot yet this season. And arguements anyone over 30 should be shed.

But, again, our team is much more competitive this year, flirting with a positive season for the first time in 3 years. Contributions have come from many sources, including several youngsters. Hughes has been good to outstanding almost since day 1. Gibson has been solid to very good, a little inconsistent, but appears to be growing right before our eyes. Forget regression, which is inevitable to some degree, but Escobar and Santana have been good and exciting. Dozier has established himself as a building block and one one of the best overall 2B in all of baseball. Arcia is very, very young, but has shown flashes, and needs to be stuck with, (and he will). Plouffe has really grown up. Thielbar is contributing. And AAA and AA have some very intriguing prospects to root for and follow the rest of the season, possibly at the ML level. Despite the injuries to Sano and Buxton, there's a lot to be excited about! And the season hasn't even reached the half way point yet.

Most importantly, the pitching staff has shown real improvement, despite some inconsistencies. Let's look at the results so far.

April: 5.02 ERA, 1.48 Whip, .279 BA against. Last in the AL in ERA.
May: 3.97 ERA, 1.29 Whip, .266 BA against. 10th in the AL in ERA.
June: 3.70 ERA, 1.26 Whip, .251 BA against. 7th in the AL in ERA.

And despite being near the bottom in team SO's, a sore spot with many I know, we ranked 2nd in the AL in fewest free passes allowed.

Folks, these are things to be excited about!

Even with the disappointment of the Boston series, just when it looked like we might be on a mini-roll, we held our own and pitched outstanding. Now back home, wer're back to winning again with 3 straight over the hated White Sox. Supposedly, the Twins toughest portion of the schedule was the first half. That remains to be seen. But with the pitching rounding in to form, our biggest concern seems to be offense. What will happen there is anyone's guess. But Willingham has looked good, Morales has slumped a bit lately but what did you expect coming off the street? Look for him to rally again, there's an impressive track history there. Mauer is a stud. He just hasn't looked like it yet this season. But there's a lot of season left, and lately he's hit better. I think we have a lot of good and fun baseball ahead of us the rest of the season. 3+ months of baseball that should see the appearance of several intriguing prospects making their debuts, even if only in September.

And ultimately, that is what this thread is about. There's been tremendous interest, as there should be, in the Twins top prospects, more pointedly, the pitching talent at AAA. There is also some talent at AA, and some really good looking kids, notably Berrios, who can and should make their presence known the second half of the season at New Britain. Pitching wins, especially starting pitching. And since its a hot topic, let's forget for a moment what's going on at the ML level, to a degree, and focus on 2015.

The 2015 rotation already has 3 staples:

Hughes: pitching like talent and everyone thought/dreamed he could. Have the Twins found an Ace? Perhaps, or at least close to it.

Nolasco: OK, he's been a disappointment so far. But he's shown signs, including a solid recent start, and has a track record that seems to indicate improvement.

Gibson: won a job in ST when everyone was resolved the Twins would stick with a more experienced status quo. He started a little inconsistent, but solid, as mentioned, and is only getting better. Only concern is late this year. Will he tire? Maybe. But he's a fixture for 2015 and on.

So where does that leave us? Let's be honest for a moment. In my 40 plus years following the Twins and MLB, how many teams have a 5 deep rotation? Few. We could be an exception.

May and Meyer, and I'd include Darnell, will fill at least one additional spot next season. All are young, unproven at the ML level, have some things to work on, but very talented. And all 3 should see time with the Twins the second half of this season.

Who steps forward first?

For the 5th spot, is it another of those 3? Does Pino defy expectation and become the odd 30 y.o. who finds himself late? Does Deduno recapture his 2013 form? Or does Pelfrey, (wait, don't cuss or spit), 2 years from TJ and over his recent nerve procedure, step up for a year and actually earn a year of his contract? Or does someone like Berrios just blow everyone away and force himself in to contention?

What say you all?

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 05:17 PM

Meyer, Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Pelfrey
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Posted 21 June 2014 - 05:26 PM

Meyer, Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Pelfrey


What's your opinion on May? He flames out in a starter role either this year or in 2015 ST?

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 05:49 PM

Hughes, Meyer, Gibson, Nolasco, and the best lefty starter they have: Kris Johnson, Logan Darnell, Sean Gilmartin or one acquired in trade or via free agency!

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 05:50 PM

Notice that Pat Diamond wasn't on my lefty list!!!! OOOPs I meant Scott Diamond!!! He's that forgettable!

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:01 PM

What's your opinion on May? He flames out in a starter role either this year or in 2015 ST?


No. I do not see him flaming out. I also do not see the Twins going with him over Pelfrey or Nolasco, unless they can work out a trade for those guys.
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#7 jokin

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:04 PM

No. I do not see him flaming out. I also do not see the Twins going with him over Pelfrey or Nolasco, unless they can work out a trade for those guys.


Sooo.....Trevor May, at age 25, steadfastly champions on into his 8th year in the minors in 2015.......wonderful.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:24 PM

At sometime you have figure out what you have, so May should be starting up here next year if not this year.

#9 Joe A. Preusser

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:28 PM

Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Meyer, May. That is a rotation that could bring home a championship with a good offense.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:30 PM

Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Meyer, May. That is a rotation that could bring home a championship with a good offense.


This one has my vote.

#11 Paul Pleiss

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:34 PM

Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Meyer, May

I could see Pelfrey nipping out Meyer/May early in the season if either or both struggle as we head into the 2nd half of this season.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:58 PM

Yohan Pino is your ace, followed by Pelfrey and Diamond. Correia comes back on a one year deal and they re-sign Nick Blackburn for Karma similar to what they did with Kubel/Bartlett. Hughes/Gibson/Meyer/May anchor AAA for depth until the GM decides they are ready. Nolasco is traded for Drew Butera or possibly Nick Punto. #World Champions

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:18 PM

Notice that Pat Diamond wasn't on my lefty list!!!!


Not that I want to claim him, but as a Scott, I have to stand up for the name - Scott Diamond, not Pat.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 11:35 PM

Price, Hughes, Meyer, Gibson, Nolasco?

Very unlikely we get David Price but if we in it by the Allstar break than gather up a prospect package and ship it to Tampa for Price and maybe a reliever?

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 06:10 AM

Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Meyer, May. That is a rotation that could bring home a championship with a good offense.


This would be my vote, but with Pelfrey on the roster in 2015, I don't see it happening. At one point I'd think they'd have to trade Darnell too, especially with guys like Gilmartin and Berrios playing in AAA at some point next year.

This offseason should be interesting if Pino keeps pitching well. The Twins will have a surplus of cheap pitching and not nearly the roster spots for all of them.

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 07:03 AM

I wish this thread would've never started. I had just recently forgot that Mike Pelfrey existed and was inexplicably signed for another season.

Now I remember that again. Thanks.

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 07:24 AM

This would be my vote, but with Pelfrey on the roster in 2015, I don't see it happening. At one point I'd think they'd have to trade Darnell too, especially with guys like Gilmartin and Berrios playing in AAA at some point next year.

This offseason should be interesting if Pino keeps pitching well. The Twins will have a surplus of cheap pitching and not nearly the roster spots for all of them.


Gilmartin is already at AAA. Promoted and started his first AAA game of the year
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Posted 22 June 2014 - 07:26 AM

PS, trade Pino now! Sell high before he becomes last years Diamond or this years Deduno

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 05:00 PM

Is it possible that the Twins DFA Pelfrey in the offseason?

#20 Danchat

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 05:06 PM

Is it possible that the Twins DFA Pelfrey in the offseason?


Yeah, but his $$$ for next year is guaranteed, so we might as well bring him to spring training, see if he can pitch, and if not, then DFA him.

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 06:38 PM

PS, trade Pino now! Sell high before he becomes last years Diamond or this years Deduno


Pino projects extremely well in the pen for us. And he is insurance if a starter goes down. I'd like to see him in a Twins uni for years.

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 06:41 PM

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Pino projects extremely well in the pen for us. And he is insurance if a starter goes down. I'd like to see him in a Twins uni for years.


Let's not get carried away giving out multi year contracts just yet. He's on the wrong side of 30 and we've yet to see what happens once teams collect a better report card on him.

I like what he's done this season in AAA, and he looked very capable in his debut, but let's hold off giving him a spot in the pen for the next few seasons. If you want to replace Jared Burton with the Yohan, I'm on board for that, effective immediately. Then call up Trevor May.

Now we've got something to talk about!

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 06:51 PM

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Let's not get carried away giving out multi year contracts just yet. He's on the wrong side of 30 and we've yet to see what happens once teams collect a better report card on him.

I like what he's done this season in AAA, and he looked very capable in his debut, but let's hold off giving him a spot in the pen for the next few seasons. If you want to replace Jared Burton with the Yohan, I'm on board for that, effective immediately. Then call up Trevor May.

Now we've got something to talk about!


FYI- The Twins are committed to Pino for just his next start, only (see below, the slot for June 30 is conspicuously left open). I have to think a move is coming to bring up a position player tomorrow, but unfortunately, it's extremely unlikely it's to replace Burt-ie. The Red Wings are currently only listing tomorrow's starter, Alex Meyer, so no indication on anything having been decided in Rochester from the projected starter listings.


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Edited by jokin, 22 June 2014 - 06:54 PM.